When have Bazooka, Milk Duds, Nabisco been cut up?

[Bestdj777]

It's one of the disgusting byproducts of the graded card market. People have chopped up Transogram boxes like crazy to stick a card in a stupid holder. There is only a finite supply and it's so disappointing and short sighted. I'm all for trimming a rough cut but leave a full box intact please.

[MCoxon]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

It's one of the disgusting byproducts of the graded card market. People have chopped up Transogram boxes like crazy to stick a card in a stupid holder. There is only a finite supply and it's so disappointing and short sighted. I'm all for trimming a rough cut but leave a full box intact please.

I don't like idea of breaking up boxes for singles, either. Have a few nice milk duds and bazooka full boxes as well.

Mainly I was just trying to understand timing; sounds like there are hoards of boxes still extant getting sliced up by people today for PSA singles. I guess in that sense, it's somewhat like cutting up sheets or opening sealed wax packs, for the chance to get a high-grade single.

Regarding the other comment about panels and singles, I would have thought full panels (when PSA'd) are more rare and worth more than individuals, e.g., a PSA 9 panel with Mays plus 2 other guys, vs. just a PSA 9 of a single Mays.

[Bestdj777]

Hi Mike,

Hope you didn't take my grumpy rant as directed at you. The reason I think people are cutting up panels is that, while the panel itself might not be in the best condition (grading a one or so because of a card or two), you usually have a shot of getting a high grade card out of the middle of the panel. And, for some reason, a PSA 9 single brings more than a PSA 1 panel. I'd always rather have the panels.

[MCoxon]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

Hi Mike,

Hope you didn't take my grumpy rant as directed at you. The reason I think people are cutting up panels is that, while the panel itself might not be in the best condition (grading a one or so because of a card or two), you usually have a shot of getting a high grade card out of the middle of the panel. And, for some reason, a PSA 9 single brings more than a PSA 1 panel. I'd always rather have the panels.

Totally agree - I've been focusing on panels/boxes more than singles lately. I had started with singles, but like the panels and boxes more.

[toppcat]

I like the Bazooka's in panels myself. Really, if something has survived this long in original form, why desecrate it?!

[Empty77]

I apparently take a different view than most comments here, and in response to the various references to "original form", the fact is that they were meant to be cut out and separated by the original owner. To me, keeping them in panel form is actually sort of an odd happenstance of the hobby. Logically it would seem to make most sense to either preserve the whole box in tact, or cut into singles the way they were meant to be used, as individual cards. However, I recognize the charm of the panel and will collect them both ways.

I would point out though that PSA carries much of the blame for the concern in this thread, for its insistence in making the singles and panels as separate items in a master set. I have always felt a more sensible decision would be to treat it as an either/or, as in either you own the panel or you own the single and both could count as possessing the item, but since the set requires both "versions" as distinct items, they are forcing a demand to keep up a supply of singles as well as panels.

(you might guess my contempt for even referring to them as "versions", since they aren't different versions of a card, it's the same f-ing card, just because a panel has it still attached to its neighbor doesn't make it a different issue, and to me the master set should be all the different issues of a player, not every conceivable manner it which the same issue may have been preserved)

[MCoxon]

Originally Posted by Empty77

I apparently take a different view than most comments here, and in response to the various references to "original form", the fact is that they were meant to be cut out and separated by the original owner. To me, keeping them in panel form is actually sort of an odd happenstance of the hobby. Logically it would seem to make most sense to either preserve the whole box in tact, or cut into singles the way they were meant to be used, as individual cards. However, I recognize the charm of the panel and will collect them both ways.

I would point out though that PSA carries much of the blame for the concern in this thread, for its insistence in making the singles and panels as separate items in a master set. I have always felt a more sensible decision would be to treat it as an either/or, as in either you own the panel or you own the single and both could count as possessing the item, but since the set requires both "versions" as distinct items, they are forcing a demand to keep up a supply of singles as well as panels.

(you might guess my contempt for even referring to them as "versions", since they aren't different versions of a card, it's the same f-ing card, just because a panel has it still attached to its neighbor doesn't make it a different issue, and to me the master set should be all the different issues of a player, not every conceivable manner it which the same issue may have been preserved)

I agree that graded cards and registries cause strange behavior. For the most part, if I have a panel (say, a 1965 Clemente, Veale, etc.) then I don't bother with the single. Of all, I do like the boxes most, then panels, then individual cards.

the thing that drives me most nuts is the black dotted line rule, at least in terms of how so many earlier hand cuts get graded A, even though they are well cut (especially 1959 Bazookas and Jellos). Someone, at some point, figured out not to cut the black dots, it seems like after 1959 or 1963 (jello)