Steve Garvey

[Econteachert205]

I cannot fathom how someone could make an argument that Ron fairly was better than Steve Garvey without explicit desire to drive people insane.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

I cannot fathom how someone could make an argument that Ron fairly was better than Steve Garvey without explicit desire to drive people insane.

Look at his stats then get back to me.

Tom C

Edit: Also I'm not sure that Fairly is better. In the regular season I would say he is Garvey's equal. Garvey separates with his impressive post season performances.

[Econteachert205]

I've got to admit it is not nearly as crazy as I thought. Garveys on base kills him.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

I cannot fathom how someone could make an argument that Ron fairly was better than Steve Garvey without explicit desire to drive people insane.

Fairly- career 35.5 fWAR, 117 wRC+, .344 wOBA, -117.8 DEF rating, - 2.9 base running, .768 career OPS, career .142 ISO, 215 homers and 35 stolen bases in 8437 plate appearances

Garvey- 37.8 fWAR, 116 wRC+, .342 wOBA, -118.7 DEF rating, -6.8 base running, .775 OPS, .152 ISO, 272 homers and 83 stolen bases in 9466 plate appearances.


they are strikingly similar players.

[celoknob]

If you had ask someone in 1980 to name some very likely future HOF players, I think Garvey would have been on most people's list when OBP and WAR were not around. Another is Dave Parker. I think the chances of either is slight now. Parker also didn't walk much for a power guy and was plagued by injuries in his prime years and had other issues. Garvey is killed by low OBP and decrease in power in his 30s.

Alternatively, hardly anyone would have mentioned Dwight Evans in 1980 but to me he is a borderline HOFer. His late career surge and high OBP put him in that position.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by celoknob

If you had ask someone in 1980 to name some very likely future HOF players, I think Garvey would have been on most people's list when OBP and WAR were not around. Another is Dave Parker. I think the chances of either is slight now. Parker also didn't walk much for a power guy and was plagued by injuries in his prime years and had other issues. Garvey is killed by low OBP and decrease in power in his 30s.

Alternatively, hardly anyone would have mentioned Dwight Evans in 1980 but to me he is a borderline HOFer. His late career surge and high OBP put him in that position.

Evans was also an amazing defensive right fielder while Garvey was pretty much average at a non-premium defensive position. And Parker got a lot of press for his amazing arm (no better than that of Evans by the way) but Parker was a pretty bad defensive right fielder. His routes to balls were horrid and unlike Evans his howitzer for an arm wasn't always that accurate.

Tom C