Pettitte vs. Halladay vs. Ryan

[darwinbulldog]

He's the best of the three anyway, but also Halladay (unlike the others) probably didn't use PEDs.

[darwinbulldog]

It's circumstantial, sure, but there's no one in all of baseball (including even Barry Bonds) whose career is more suspicious just on the basis of his statistics. There are plenty of ways of presenting it, but I think this is my favorite.

Nolan Ryan led the league in strikeouts many times, as follows.
Ages 25-32: 7 times
Ages 33-39: 0 times
Ages 40-43: 4 times

He also ranks 308th in career K/BB ratio, but that's a separate issue. Halladay is 24th. Pettite is 166th.

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

It's circumstantial, sure, but there's no one in all of baseball (including even Barry Bonds) whose career is more suspicious just on the basis of his statistics. There are plenty of ways of presenting it, but I think this is my favorite.

Nolan Ryan led the league in strikeouts many times, as follows.
Ages 25-32: 7 times
Ages 33-39: 0 times
Ages 40-43: 4 times

He also ranks 308th in career K/BB ratio, but that's a separate issue. Halladay is 24th. Pettite is 166th.

Ages 33-39 were all with the Astros. They limited his pitch-count significantly after signing him (far fewer complete games as a result) and you can see that he made a monumental effort in reducing the number of walks issued during that time. This also impacted his K numbers. His K/BB was actually better over that period.

To insinuate that PEDs were involved late in his career is just flat out wrong.

[h2oya311]

It's easy to focus on one stat. Have you looked at the other important statistic that goes into calculation of WHIP...you know, the one that starts with "H". If I'm reading correctly, Nolan Ryan is #1 ALL-TIME in lowest Hits per 9 innings, ahead of everyone's favorite modern player, Clayton Kershaw!

End of argument!

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

End of argument!

I wish you the best of luck with that proclamation.

[bnorth]

I don't think either Pettitte or Haladay deserve to be in the HOF. Both guys were great but not HOF great. Halladay had a couple great years, so did a lot of guys not in the hall. Pettitte was my favorite lefty to watch pith and had a very good career, not a HOF career.

Nolan Ryan was interesting at best. If you like strike outs and walks he is the man. He had some amazing games but also is the career leader in walks and hits per 9 innings. That is right nobody gave up more hits per game than good old Nolan, he led the league 12 years. I am also sure Jose, Juan, and Ivan would all say he was PED free while teammates.

EDIT: I read the hits per 9 innings wrong and Nolan led the league in giving up the least 12 times. Still not a fan of Mr Ryan.