Roy hallady r.i.p

[packs]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

If the video is accurate and unaltered then first ballot. Now his wife and children have to suffer for his arrogance.

Arrogance? Come on. How many times have you gone faster than you should in your car? People who enjoy their hobbies will push their hobbies to extremes. His hobby was flying a plane, other people drive fast cars, others skydive.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by packs

Arrogance? Come on. How many times have you gone faster than you should in your car? People who enjoy their hobbies will push their hobbies to extremes. His hobby was flying a plane, other people drive fast cars, others skydive.

Before I had kids A LOT. After I had children I drive like a granny in the slow lane. My hobbies are baseball cards and record collecting....so nothing where gravity can have an affect I just feel so badly for his family.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Before I had kids A LOT. After I had children I drive like a granny in the slow lane. My hobbies are baseball cards and record collecting....so nothing where gravity can have an affect I just feel so badly for his family.

I definitely feel for his family. It just seemed a little overkill to call a dead man arrogant for enjoying his hobby. I highly doubt he thought to himself, so what if I die doing this? I think it's more likely he thought, this is pretty fun.

[trdcrdkid]

Just for the record: I think Halladay was a great pitcher who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame and will probably get there eventually. But I'm skeptical that he'll make it on the first ballot, due to the prevalence of certain opinions that have been on display in this thread; he certainly won't get 100% of the vote. His low counting stats (just over 200 wins), his numerous mediocre seasons mixed in with his great ones, his sparse postseason experience relative to other similar pitchers (Petitte, etc.) -- whether you agree with them or not, these are all reasons people give for not thinking Halladay is a HOFer. I don't agree that those things should keep him out, but a not insignificant percentage of people do think that, and I'm sure that includes quite a few Hall of Fame voters.

[Snapolit1]

I don't see where arrogance comes into it. Guy lived life to the hilt and here used some pretty terrible judgment. Everything I've read about him says he was a fantastic down to earth guy. Had the money to buy rich toys.

Athletes frequently think they are invincible. A number of years ago a goalie for the NJ Devils was killed speeding. Lost control of his car on a turn and killed. Forget if he was drunk. I've told the story to my boys and to countless others. If you think you have fast reflexes and can drive like a mad man . . . your reflexes and perception are nothing compared to what his were. His worth unworldly. If he lost control of a speeding car you can very very easily do the same.

[sox1903wschamp]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

A number of years ago a goalie for the NJ Devils was killed speeding. Lost control of his car on a turn and killed. Forget if he was drunk.

Not sure about a Devils goalie but there was the tragic car speeding accident in 1985 of Philadelphia Flyers Goalie Pelle Lindbergh. His Blood Alcohol level was .24
Edit to add that the accident was in New Jersey.

[Snapolit1]

Thanks. Must be what I was remembering. Was in NJ not far from where I now live.

[Kenny Cole]

RIP. I don't really want to engage about who was the better pitcher, but Roy Halliday was both a stud and a stand up guy.

My prayers go out to his wife and his kids. This is just awful news. I was floored when I heard it.