Will there be a post-war card again like the 52 Mantle ?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

Well, it appears that you are not at all inclined to use it. The SABR and analytical movements are growing in strength and provide mathematical evidence with an ever-growing degree of certainty as to the relative ranking of players over various eras. Employing derogatory terms like "garbage" to such truly invaluable evidentiary matters brings to mind the old adage: "play the fool and people will certainly treat you as one." More and more books are being written based on SABR findings and analytical assessments, and that trend will with virtual certainty continue. Baseball card collectors read these books too. Only an ostrich lives its life by perpetually sticking its head in the ground.

Best of luck in your collecting,

Larry

The only "mathematical" evidence has been provided by Nate Silver discrediting much of this line of thinking. I have read a lot of this, including Bill James, but I have an education and a mind to think for myself. Some is sound, much is not. I am not going to just believe something because it is posted on the internet. Sadly many do.

As far as the 52T Mantle, it is what it is because of what I posted, things that preceded James and others. Nothing they say is going to change that.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by rats60

The only "mathematical" evidence has been provided by Nate Silver discrediting much of this line of thinking. I have read a lot of this, including Bill James, but I have an education and a mind to think for myself. Some is sound, much is not. I am not going to just believe something because it is posted on the internet. Sadly many do.

As far as the 52T Mantle, it is what it is because of what I posted, things that preceded James and others. Nothing they say is going to change that.

It's ok if you want to think that, just like my sister used to tell my then 3-year-old nephew, "it's ok to want that." The only situation where you are likely to get into trouble is if you expect others to follow your lead in this area. Personally, I think we can agree to disagree. Simply for purposes of your edification, my knowledge of the game, the work of SABR and baseball analytics, as well as baseball history, has not been gleaned from the internet. Instead, it has come from critically reading literally hundreds of baseball books of all sorts: biographies, analysis-focused books seeking to place players from different eras into their proper place in comparison with players of different eras, and even baseball fiction, in addition to watching literally thousands of games from the early '60's on, and playing as many in summer leagues, HS, and the over 30 fast-pitch hardball league against former pros, college players, and high school stars. There is much to be learned from such sources.

May you get all you seek from collecting,

Larry