PWCC Certified High End Cards:

[drcy]

It's like PSA assigning a condition grade to an autograph. If you are unable to judge the condition of a signature on your own, you probably shouldn't be collecting.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by drcy

It's like PSA assigning a condition grade to an autograph. If you are unable to judge the condition of a signature on your own, you probably shouldn't be collecting.

I'm not so sure. It's possible this "independent grading" thing may catch on.

If you are unable to judge the condition of a card on your own, you probably shouldn't be collecting.

[iwantitiwinit]

Do they also have a LE (low end) designation? If HE exists then LE obviously exists. Now I'm not saying I expect them to do anything thing that would lower the perceived value of a card they have on consignment but if I were a buyer in their auctions I would only purchase HE designated cards as non-HE cards could be of lesser condition for the grade. Some non-HE cards would logically have to be LE cards.

I actually don't care what they do since I never even look at their auctions. Why would I ever purchase a card for 25-50% more than I can purchase that same quality of card elsewhere.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Do they also have a LE (low end) designation? If HE exists then LE obviously exists. Now I'm not saying I expect them to do anything thing that would lower the perceived value of a card they have on consignment but if I were a buyer in their auctions I would only purchase HE designated cards as non-HE cards could be of lesser condition for the grade. Some non-HE cards would logically have to be LE cards.

I actually don't care what they do since I never even look at their auctions. Why would I ever purchase a card for 25-50% more than I can purchase that same quality of card elsewhere.

I have an example of a low end card. Poor for the grade:


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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Sean

I have an example of a low end card. Poor for the grade:

When you see an ad that says 'low end' card on the listing let me know. I guess a seller can say on a low end card 'candidate for a resubmission raw for a re-grade' because the card will likely get a different grade, though a lower one.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

When you see an ad that says 'low end' card on the listing let me know. I guess a seller can say on a low end card 'candidate for a resubmission raw for a re-grade' because the card will likely get a different grade, though a lower one.

I will one day sell this and probably all of my cards. And I will not list it as low end. The buyer can decide whether to buy the card or the holder.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Sean

I have an example of a low end card. Poor for the grade:


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I think I owned that card. I frequently point out low end examples in my ebay store, but I'm not selling on consignment.


EDIT: Here's a couple:

Frankly grade seems a tad high to me. Crease-free, but more corner wear than I would normally associate with this grade.

All sellers hype their stuff, especially when they think it's undergraded. Don't know many of us who admit when they got a better grade than expected. I fully expected a PSA 6 on this card. Light corner touches and the centering issues really make me wonder how it got the extra half point!

I also call out average cards:

Average card for the grade. Light corner wear heavier in the lower right, and centering issues!

[Sean]

[QUOTE=Aquarian Sports Cards;1712687]I think I owned that card.



Hey Scott, I bought it raw in a lot from Mastro in 2002. Could it have been your card prior to that?

[Stonepony]

Although not a PWCC enthusiast, I don't think their HE is as gimmicky as most of you think. In fact the coin collecting world ( which dwarfs the card collecting world ( at least my using PCGS/NGC numbers vs PSA/SCG) has had a third party
Opinion company (CAC) for 10 years. They apply a green sticker to a " high end for grade" coin or a gold sticker for a coin which would be high end for the grade assigned. They've verified ( stickered) hundreds of thousands of coins worth billions of dollars. I'm an amateur coin and card collector but I don't see many
incredulous post on their coin forums mocking the service... because " my eyes are as good as theirs". It's an accepted service that's really boost the value of coins that get verified as really nice for grade. I'm sure there are those that hate the service though. Us amateurs appreciate the destinction. It is a 3rd party service and they dont benefit from designation a coin as high end- this is in stark contrast to PWCC which certainly profits from the higher prices their HE brings.
For full disclosure I own one PWCc High end card. It is the PSA 6 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle which opens the " Official Mickey Mantle Thread" over in the post war side. If I ever sell it will I disclose it as PWCC HE? Yup

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Do they also have a LE (low end) designation? If HE exists then LE obviously exists. Now I'm not saying I expect them to do anything thing that would lower the perceived value of a card they have on consignment but if I were a buyer in their auctions I would only purchase HE designated cards as non-HE cards could be of lesser condition for the grade. Some non-HE cards would logically have to be LE cards.

I actually don't care what they do since I never even look at their auctions. Why would I ever purchase a card for 25-50% more than I can purchase that same quality of card elsewhere.

When PSA went to half grades some argued that it would devalue the regular grades. That never happened. I think PWCC is using the designation sparingly enough that it doesn't hurt the value of the rest of their cards. That said, I continue to think it's a gimmick and personally I could not care less.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

When PSA went to half grades some argued that it would devalue the regular grades. That never happened. I think PWCC is using the designation sparingly enough that it doesn't hurt the value of the rest of their cards. That said, I continue to think it's a gimmick and personally I could not care less.

agreed

PWCC gets great stuff. There are also a lot of things to consider when bidding with PWCC that have been discussed over, and over, and over again by the same collectors ..... who probably have "Stay off the Lawn" signs in their front yard