T205 SPs with Piedmont 42

[T205 GB]

No SP's should have Pied 42 backs. What cards are you referring too?

[sterlingfox]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

No SP's should have Pied 42 backs. What cards are you referring too?

Not true.

I own an Ed Walsh PD 42, which is a short print.

[Thromdog]

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[Ronnie73]

I have a PSA 4 Kirb White Piedmont 42. I thought that card was also a short print. I know there's a couple levels of short prints, just can't find that file at the moment.

[T205 GB]

White, Scanlan, Walsh are not SP's. Just because someone 100 years ago said they were SP's doesn't mean they are. Information is easily available now. White, Scanlan, Walsh, ect, are found with 5 different backs and have many copies graded and known. They may be a bit tougher than say Titus or Beck but are readily available. These guys fall into the category of cards like McElveen, and Daubert. Just a toughy is all. The SP's in the set are the ML cards, Bresnahan Mouth Open, Joss, Raymond, Donohue, ect, ect. These cards are only found with 2-3 back, Pied 25, Hassan, and Cycle, and have less of a print run.

[ronniehatesjazz]

Would love to know the full list you speak of T205 GB. Every resource I've seen lists them as SP's. Did you create your own list? Not bashing your opinion but just curious. I've always personally thought there are way too many Scanlan's to be considered SP but never have heard anyone else agree.

[t206kid]

Do you consider Vaughn and/or Sweeney SP? In the 4ish months since I started T205s I've seen several of them with Piedmont 42 and haven't seen more than a handful of other cards with more than one Piedmont 42. I'll post what I consider SP when I get home.

[tedzan]

I agree with Andrew.

Take for example Jake Daubert. He is a tough T205 to find (regardless of it's back). Now, I don't think this card was actually
"short-printed", or whatever.





But, I can tell you this for a fact: Jake Daubert is a tough card mainly due to the fact that Daubert has quite a "following" in the coal mining
region of Pennsylvania. He was born in Shamokin, PA and played semi-pro ball in Lykens, PA before playing for Brooklyn.

I set up at several BB card shows in Pennsylvania. I usually bring 10-15 Daubert cards to these shows (most of these cards are raw). These
cards are always sold by the end of the show. Therefore, in this case the Pop Reports regarding Daubert will be mis-leading.

Jake Daubert was a pretty darn good ballplayer with a .303 career BA. He was the NL batting Champion in 1913 (.350) and in 1914 (.329)

A very well liked and respected ballplayer of his era (1910 - 1924).


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[t206kid]

Ted: that's interesting. I've noted in my spreadsheet which commons I think are "tough" but didn't note that for Daubert.

These are the SPs I've noted: Dahlen, Donohue, Fischer, Grant, Joss, Karger, Kleinow, Raymond, Rowan, Scanlan, Suggs, Sweeney, Turner, Vaughn, Wagner,
Walsh, White, Wilhelm.

Which do y'all think aren't actually SP?