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10-10-2017, 08:42 PM
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Chuck, your Cuyler stats piqued my curiosity. I wondered how a player could regularly bat .350 or higher, yet have a lifetime batting average of only .321, so I checked his stats. FYI, of the 15 years that Cuyler had 290 or more plate appearances, he batted .350 or higher only 4 years, with the highest year being .360.
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10-12-2017, 07:48 AM
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10-12-2017, 07:49 AM
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Thank you Jenx. I also have that card.
I'm not sure about the "Shirley" middle name, lol. However, I did get this info on why he was called "Kiki". Kiki Cuyler : pronounced Kai Kai , Kai ler "Two explanations have been given for the origin of Cuyler's nickname, "Kiki". In the first version, he had been known as "Cuy" for a long time. When a fly ball was hit to the Nashville outfield and it was judged to be Cuyler's play, the shortstop would call out "Cuy" and this call would be echoed by the second baseman. The echoed name caught on with Nashville's fans. In the second explanation, "Kiki Cuyler" came from the player's stuttering problem and the way it sounded when Cuyler said his own last name". Last edited by Chuck9788; 10-12-2017 at 07:52 AM.
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10-12-2017, 08:12 AM
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Chuck,
A couple for your viewing pleasure:
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10-12-2017, 08:54 AM
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here are my favorite Kikis...
1925 Exhibits (rookie):  and the earliest image I have seen of him - from spring training of 1923 in Hot Springs, Arkansas (close-up from a team panorama I own):
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10-12-2017, 08:57 AM
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It's been a while since I read Bill James book "Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame" but I seem to remember that it was his opinion that playing conditions greatly favored the hitters of that era, including Kiki Shirley, and that their offensive stats are bloated. In his mind this diminished their value and the value of the player as a HOFer.
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