T216s, how do they stack up with their E card counterparts?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Not directly relevant as far as relative card populations, but it is always nice to have an easily accessed point of reference available when discussing the shared images among the 1910 era issues. I posted this E90-1 shared images list previously on another thread:

List of E90-1 card images found in other sets

Ok, now it is time to set down the 49 cards in the E90-1 American Caramel issue whose images are found in other sets. By each player's name I will include an abbreviation of all other sets the same image is seen (this time I will include Tango Egg and D380 Clement cards). If an image in one of the other sets is identified as a different player than it is in the E90-1 set, this player's name will be identified by parenthesis after the set in question.

The abbreviation key is as follows:

e92ca - E92 Croft's Candy
e92co - E92 Croft's Cocoa
e92d - E92 Dockman
e92n - E92 Nadja
e101 - E101
e102 - E102
e105 - E105 Mello Mint
e106 - E106 American Caramel
d303g - D303 General Baking
d303m - D303 Mothers Bread
t216k - T216 Kotton
t216m - T216 Mino
t216v - T216 Virginia Extra
d380- D380 Clement Bread
tng - Tango Eggs


E90-1 American Caramel cards with images found in other sets:

Bailey - e92n

Barry running - e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v

Bemis - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e105, t216k, t216m, t216v

Bescher - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e102, e105, e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v, tng

Bresnahan - e92n, e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v, tng

Bridwell batting - e106, t216k,t216m, t216v, tng

Bush - e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v

Chase portrait - e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v, d380

Cobb side view - e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v, d380

Collins - e92ca, e92co, e92n, e101, e102, e105, e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v, tng

Demmitt - e106, d303g, d303m(Felsch), t216k, t216m, t216v, tng(Felsch)

Dougherty - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e102, e105, t216k, t216m t216v

Ellis - E92n

Engle - e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v

Fromme - e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v

Gibson back view - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e105, e106, d303g, d303m,
t216k, t216m, t216v

Gibson front view - e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v

Hartzell batting - e92n, e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v

Hartzell fielding - e92n, t216k, t216m, t216v, d380

Howell brown cap - e92n

Howell red cap - e92n, d380

Joss portrait - d380

Krause - d380

Lajoie portrait - e106, d303g, d303m, t216g, t216m, t216v

Lobert - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e102, e105, e106, d303g, d303m,
t216k, t216m, t216v

Marquard - e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v

McLean - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e105, t216k, t216m, t216v

McQuillen - e106, d302g, t216k, t216m, t216v, tng

Miller fielding - e92ca, e92co, e92n, e101, e102, e105, e106, d303g, t216k, t216m,
t216v

Mullin - d380

Oakes - e92n, e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v

O'Leary - d303g

Phelps - e92n

Plank - e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v

Seigle - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e105

Shean - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e102, e105

Speaker - e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v

Stanage - e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v

Stone no hands - e92n, d380

Stone one hand - e92n

Stovall - e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v

Summers - d380

Sweeney New York - e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v, d380

Tinker portrait - e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v

Wagner batting - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e102, e105, e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v

Wagner throwing - e92ca e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e102, e105, e106, d303g, d303m, t216k, t216m, t216v

Wallace - e92n

Wiltse - e106, d303g, t216k, t216m, t216v

Young throwing - e92ca, e92co, e92d, e92n, e101, e105, t216k, t216m, t216v

The various T216 issues all have the same checklist in the SCD guide, but it is still up to debate whether each pose exists in every set. I have included them here just because I am wicked. Also I am not sure which pose is used in the Tango Egg set for Schaefer. If it is the vertical pose, then it needs to be added to the list.

Brian

great list...how do e92 blank backs fit in?

[x2drich2000]

Pete, here is a list of E92 blank backs that I am aware of. I have not tried to put together a list of the T216 blank backs/scraps like your Crawford. Also, I know there is a Cobb batting blank back, but how was your Crawford identified as a T216 instead of E92? Is it a paper version?

Blank Back
- Chase x5 - SGC A, SGC 20, SGC 30, SGC 40, PSA 7
- Crawford - unknown
- Davis - PSA A
- Dougherty - SGC 40
- Gibson - Unknown
- Lajoie - SGC A
- McGraw x2 - was SGC 10 now raw (with cocoa overprint on front), SGC 40, SGC 60
- McLean - SGC 10
- Miller (fielding) - SGC 30
- Schlei - SGC 40
- Seigle - SGC 10
- Smith - SGC 40
- Tinker - SGC 40 (Goodwin - no scan)
- Wagner (throwing) - SGC40 (possibly 2, they appear to be the same, but have different cert numbers)
- Zimmerman - Unknown

[x2drich2000]

Pete, I don't know about t216, but i do believe there are rarities in the different e92 sets and that those rarities.are not consistent across the different backs.

[edjs]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Also, I know there is a Cobb batting blank back, but how was your Crawford identified as a T216 instead of E92? Is it a paper version?

I know on the Crawford, the caption at the bottom is different. On the E92, it is c.f., on the T216 it is c. f., with a space in between.

[edjs]

Val,

I think that enough of us on here talking about these sets would add up to one non-existent advanced collector. This is all great, we are talkin' cards, man! That's what I was going for.

[edjs]

Where does the Crofts Blue stand in the tough to find scale?

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by edjs

Where does the Crofts Blue stand in the tough to find scale?

Ed, in my opinion the blue crofts toughness is highly variable depending on the player. A couple years ago I tried to track down proof that all cards on the checklist exist. I still have 11 cards I have not been able to find an image for or any record of one being sold. I'm not saying those cards do not exist, just that I could not find any proof of them. Others, like Jennings, seem fairly abundant. In general, the blue backs are harder than black, but not quite as difficult as Cocoa, Nadja, or E105.

Here's a link to a thread I created a few years ago to track most of the harder e92. E92 Difficult Backs

[Rhotchkiss]

What a great thread! Jobu, thanks for turning me onto it. The knowledge on this Board is amazing. Ed, thanks for starting the thread. Steve, this info on the T216 backs is awesome and now convinces me that a Wagner throwing VE exists (or was at least produced) and that I need multiple Kotton backs for a complete run. Pete, the lists of "E92" backs by player is very helpful. Val, that Jennings run is amazing.

For the past few months I have been aiming at a Wagner throwing back run (glutton for punishment; next I think I may work on an E94 Wagner color run) It started with a Blue Crofts, than a Cocoa, and once I picked up the E106, I thought I may have a chance. I have tried to keep it on the down low, but now I need the most difficult ones and I will take all the help I can get, so cat is out of the bag. Below is my Wagner throwing back run so far (could not include the T216 fronts bc exceeded my limit) -- please let me know if anyone knows where I can get one not shown below.

And while we are at it -- lets so those E92 back runs

[buymycards]

[QUOTE=x2drich2000;1704659]Pete, here is a list of E92 blank backs that I am aware of. I have not tried to put together a list of the T216 blank backs/scraps like your Crawford. Also, I know there is a Cobb batting blank back, but how was your Crawford identified as a T216 instead of E92? Is it a paper version?

Hi Brian, I have a Dooin - Type 3 Kotton

Also, in this set, McQuillan is spelled with a "a", not an "e".

Thanks, Rick

[rman444]

A few companion pieces for this t216 discussion