1952Boyntoncollector Outing prices on BST?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by seablaster

This is 100% spot-on.

By boynton interjecting, he prevents the seller from deciding for themselves whether they want to leave the price listed or not. Why should a third party be making that decision for the seller?

On any quote, you are leaving what was said by the poster forever listed. If you quote a picture of the card, people wil see the Cert number forever though some people like to black out the cert number because they dont want it known. By quoting what someone says, their comments are there forever. So these quotes are preventing the seller themselves of what they want to leave in their post or not. Sometimes you see sellers delete entire threads which they cant do if there is someone quoting what they said.

Who is to decide where to draw the line of what you can quote or not. Your comment basically means we cant quote anything. If leon deletes the quote function then everything is solved, but why would he do that on a public forum.

[FirstYearCards]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

On any quote, you are leaving what was said by the poster forever listed. If you quote a picture of the card, people wil see the Cert number forever though some people like to black out the cert number because they dont want it known. By quoting what someone says, their comments are there forever. So these quotes are preventing the seller themselves of what they want to leave in their post or not. Sometimes you see sellers delete entire threads which they cant do if there is someone quoting what they said.

Who is to decide where to draw the line of what you can quote or not. Your comment basically means we cant quote anything. If leon deletes the quote function then everything is solved, but why would he do that on a public forum.

Pretty sure this answers your last paragraph. The rules decide, Leon enforces.

There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the Buy/Sell/Trade areas. Third parties are those not involved in a transaction. This includes, but is not limited to, posting current or historical cost information, commenting negatively on the offer or item, or anything that interferes with the listing in a negative way

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by FirstYearCards

Pretty sure this answers your last paragraph. The rules decide, Leon enforces.

There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the Buy/Sell/Trade areas. Third parties are those not involved in a transaction. This includes, but is not limited to, posting current or historical cost information, commenting negatively on the offer or item, or anything that interferes with the listing in a negative way

It looks from those rules that comments are fine as long as they are not negative. Not sure how saying nice card is negative or quoting anything the seller says. Its not quoting a negative comment from someone else, its a quote of the actual seller. You are also bumping the thread which is a positive thing.

[seablaster]

Uh, try again.

My comment means that you or any other individual who is not involved in the transaction related to a BST post needs to not interject.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by seablaster

Uh, try again.

My comment means that you or any other individual who is not involved in the transaction related to a BST post needs to not interject.

Uh, read the rules. Third parties are clearly allowed to comment on posts. (Hence the rule of not saying anything negative) Plus how would you know if I made an offer or not. I have bought many cards on this site. Id rather have someone post nice card on my listing then pm me a low ball offer.

Heck people have posted VCP pricing (but fail to mention past sales that support my pricing ) on my listings and I never seen you comment about that but someone saying nice card and quoting what the seller actually says you have a problem with.

[FirstYearCards]

There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the Buy/Sell/Trade areas. Third parties are those not involved in a transaction. This includes, but is not limited to, posting current or historical cost information, commenting negatively on the offer or item, or anything that interferes with the listing in a negative way.

First two sentences are pretty clear.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by FirstYearCards

There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the Buy/Sell/Trade areas. Third parties are those not involved in a transaction. This includes, but is not limited to, posting current or historical cost information, commenting negatively on the offer or item, or anything that interferes with the listing in a negative way.

[B]First two sentences are pretty clear.

And so is the third sentence. The first sentence establishes the rule. The second sentence defines third party and the last sentence defines interference.

As much as I never thought I would say this, Jake is right here...based on the wording.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by FirstYearCards

There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the Buy/Sell/Trade areas. Third parties are those not involved in a transaction. This includes, but is not limited to, posting current or historical cost information, commenting negatively on the offer or item, or anything that interferes with the listing in a negative way.

First two sentences are pretty clear.

Yes I agree they are very clear and I clearly followed them. If you dont agree, then the sentences arent pretty clear as you think.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Yes I agree they are very clear and I clearly followed them. If you dont agree, then the sentences arent pretty clear as you think.

That all said the system shouldn't be manipulated to show prices if another member doesn't want them...if they don't want prices shown then you need to heed their wishes. That kind of goes within the rules of posting historical pricing or something that can negatively influence a sale. Rule technicalities don't work here. It is sort of like a Judge Judy court. Regardless of some laws, If it makes sense then she agrees and if not she doesn't. Technicalities almost never work in her courtroom. I love her.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

That all said the system shouldn't be manipulated to show prices if another member doesn't want them...if they don't want prices shown then you need to heed their wishes. That kind of goes within the rules of posting historical pricing or something that can negatively influence a sale. Rule technicalities don't work here. It is sort of like a Judge Judy court. Regardless of some laws, If it makes sense then she agrees and if not she doesn't. Technicalities almost never work in her courtroom. I love her.

Understood, but no one has stated they didnt want them showed on any of their postings in the past. Heck didnt even know it was an issue. Been going on for years. The first I learned of it is the one or 2 people on the thread who didnt even start the thread. They also pretty much said they just disagreed because it was me they have issue with not the subject matter.. Ill follow whatever you want its your forum. I think part of the reason nobody ever contacted me is they thought it was allowed until right now.

To date, nobody has ever emailed me to take a post off. You did say if another member doesnt want them. I can only assume they are fine with it if they not say otherwise. 'if they dont want prices shown you need to heed their wishes' Understood but noone has ever told me that. (perhaps because they thought it was allowed until now) There was nothing for me to heed....

However i really dont think i was going on a technicality. Quoting what they say? Thats not posting historical pricing which would be from another source or where it came from. The seller already offered posted pricing to the public. Again its your forum ill follow whatever you want, but in the beggining i just hit quote and not reply and wasnt trying to sneak anything. Thats why i defended myself here with a lot of support.

So in the future if a member (buyer or seller) posts for me to remove a quoted asking price, that is fine as i will now know the member wanted it removed . Also the people that i know that never want it quoted ill heed that as well which appears to be 2 or 3 people thus far. Anyone else can pm me etc if they want to keep their posted asking price a secret. Again i think this impacts about 1% of the b/s/t listings.