My pet peeve

[cardsnstuff]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Because for me the the entire deal is over when the seller rejects my offer. I do my absolute best to make transactions smooth and easy. Haggling is not smooth or easy and I consider it a complete waste of time. To me it is simply take my money or not, if the seller wants to try to add to that it is their problem.

That seems reasonable. I was not trying to offend you; I wish more people were like that.

[frankbmd]

As a seller I might add a bit of wiggle room in my pricing.

As a buyer my first offer is not necessarily (and rarely is) my max, call it negative wiggle room if you will.

Sellers should be motivated to make a sale and unless the price is listed as "firm", I would assume that their asking price probably is not so firm.

I would maintain that the assumption that the buyer's first offer represents the max he is willing to pay is fallacious much of the time. A non-negotiable buy-it-now coupled with a non-negotiable sell-it-now with two different numbers is a waste of time, like looking at all those outrageous BINs on eBay.

To walk away from a deal at this point without counters virtually eliminates a deal that both parties would gladly accept. If that happy medium is not reached, either party may walk away at any time, but that party should notify the other that that is their intent.

Haggling is not a disease or a waste of time, but a tool of free market economics.

That said I realize there are many who prefer to eschew negotiation, which is their right, but unfortunate in my opinion, unless of course as a buyer they simply say "I'll take it".

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

As a seller I might add a bit of wiggle room in my pricing.

As a buyer my first offer is not necessarily (and rarely is) my max, call it negative wiggle room if you will.

Sellers should be motivated to make a sale and unless the price is listed as "firm", I would assume that their asking price probably is not so firm.

I would maintain that the assumption that the buyer's first offer represents the max he is willing to pay is fallacious much of the time. A non-negotiable buy-it-now coupled with a non-negotiable sell-it-now with two different numbers is a waste of time, like looking at all those outrageous BINs on eBay.

To walk away from a deal at this point without counters virtually eliminates a deal that both parties would gladly accept. If that happy medium is not reached, either party may walk away at any time, but that party should notify the other that that is their intent.

Haggling is not a disease or a waste of time, but a tool of free market economics.

That said I realize there are many who prefer to eschew negotiation, which is their right, but unfortunate in my opinion, unless of course as a buyer they simply say "I'll take it".

Frank the next time you are selling a card I want you will receive a email(more like many) from my wife.

[cardsnstuff]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

As a seller I might add a bit of wiggle room in my pricing.

As a buyer my first offer is not necessarily (and rarely is) my max, call it negative wiggle room if you will.

Sellers should be motivated to make a sale and unless the price is listed as "firm", I would assume that their asking price probably is not so firm.

I would maintain that the assumption that the buyer's first offer represents the max he is willing to pay is fallacious much of the time. A non-negotiable buy-it-now coupled with a non-negotiable sell-it-now with two different numbers is a waste of time, like looking at all those outrageous BINs on eBay.

To walk away from a deal at this point without counters virtually eliminates a deal that both parties would gladly accept. If that happy medium is not reached, either party may walk away at any time, but that party should notify the other that that is their intent.

Haggling is not a disease or a waste of time, but a tool of free market economics.

That said I realize there are many who prefer to eschew negotiation, which is their right, but unfortunate in my opinion, unless of course as a buyer they simply say "I'll take it".

I agree, this is kinda my thinking too; I do understand how some people don't like haggling, but in today's world it's a necessary evil. It's done in everything from cell phones to groceries. {price shopping is a form of haggling, isn't it?} As Ben stated earlier, his wife negotiates with their cable company; Maybe not actually but "per se"

It's like going to a show and making an offer on a card; than the dealer says X; and you just walk away, without uttering a word. I think most people would just say no thanks and than walk away.

As a seller and buyer I accept it and sometimes the answer is no; goes both ways, sometimes they say no to me too. I was really curious as to why the negotiations end there. I think there has been a lot of great answers.

I can't speak for others; I know sometimes myself I put a high {aka crazy #} on {mostly low # modern stuff, and high grade stuff to - occasionally} because there is really no true comparison as prices fluctuate daily and honestly I have no idea what it's worth; so I'm really just testing the marketplace so to speak.

Look at some of the recent prices for 1972 PSA 9 commons for example.

[buymycards]

In all of my years selling on eBay, I have NEVER had a buyer respond with another offer after I have countered their original offer. I always try to build a little wiggle room into my pricing, and I normally accept offers that are 20-30% off of my original price. When I receive an offer from someone who makes an offer that is 40-50% of my asking price, I send a counter offer that is 20-30% of my asking price, but no one ever responds. It is usually someone who is looking to buy something to flip, or someone new to eBay who thinks the sellers get their cards for free and everything is profit.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by buymycards

In all of my years selling on eBay, I have NEVER had a buyer respond with another offer after I have countered their original offer. I always try to build a little wiggle room into my pricing, and I normally accept offers that are 20-30% off of my original price. When I receive an offer from someone who makes an offer that is 40-50% of my asking price, I send a counter offer that is 20-30% of my asking price, but no one ever responds. It is usually someone who is looking to buy something to flip, or someone new to eBay who thinks the sellers get their cards for free and everything is profit.

Hey Rick!

eBay has more jerks than BST, ...............I think???

[Touch'EmAll]

Pet peeve - Use your turn signals when driving. I don't know how many times I wait to turn when the other car is coming, and wait safely and patiently, with my turn signal on, then all of a sudden out of the blue the other car turns without turn signal. It is a new age in driving, a new age of privileged drivers that have no clue and think they are too good to use turn signals. Jeez, people, Ugh! Its maddening. And very unsafe. Look how many times other drivers should have their turn signal on, and don't. It will surprise you. Its an epidemic.

[frankbmd]

The first time a thread has been hijacked by turn signals.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by buymycards

In all of my years selling on eBay, I have NEVER had a buyer respond with another offer after I have countered their original offer. I always try to build a little wiggle room into my pricing, and I normally accept offers that are 20-30% off of my original price. When I receive an offer from someone who makes an offer that is 40-50% of my asking price, I send a counter offer that is 20-30% of my asking price, but no one ever responds. It is usually someone who is looking to buy something to flip, or someone new to eBay who thinks the sellers get their cards for free and everything is profit.

That's odd, because while it's not the rule, it definitely happens for me on occasion. Of course the punchline is I always counter with my best offer the first time and I explain that, so it's pretty irrelevant. maybe some people like to think of it as a challenge. I always re-respond with the same exact number.

[hangman62]

doesn't bother me either way

whats the rush ? ..low ball high ball, offer expire, quick response. I don't see an issue..its just baseball card bartering/bargaining/ negotiating

[GoCubsGo32]

eBay - When the seller runs an auction. Bids are placed. Someone contacts the seller to buy the item off eBay/on the side. The auction then is suddenly ended...while numerous bids were placed.Item is then sold to whoever contacted the seller.

In life -- People pulling an item out of the microwave with less than 3 secs on the timer...then they don't clear it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by GoCubsGo32

eBay - When the seller runs an auction. Bids are placed. Someone contacts the seller to buy the item off eBay/on the side. The auction then is suddenly ended...while numerous bids were placed.Item is then sold to whoever contacted the seller.

I hate this too. We have a seller on this forum that has done this to me.