The word "Graded" as is applies to PSA & SGC item titles

[frankbmd]

I wouldn't have had to repeat the third grade, if it weren't for those "F" grades.

[drcy]

I'd vote that technically the guy is correct, but it's just a technicality if the card is advertised and shown as being entombed as authentic. Even if my view is correct, this falls under no harm, no foul.

I note that, personally, I've always considered a trimmed or otherwise altered card as a grade of Poor. But the grading companies don't do it that way (which would circle around to why I said the guy is technically correct).

[swarmee]

Authentic grades at PSA used to count as 0.5 on the registry. They now count as Poor 1s for registry purposes.
However, slabbed by PSA/SGC/BVG in my opinion includes Authentic grades.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by drcy

I'd vote that technically the guy is correct, but it's just a technicality if the card is advertised and shown as being entombed as authentic. Even if my view is correct, this falls under no harm, no foul.

I note that, personally, I've always considered a trimmed or otherwise altered card as a grade of Poor. But the grading companies don't do it that way (which would circle around to why I said the guy is technically correct).

I don't see it that way. I have had cards grade "A" that look MILESSSSSS better than a "poor" grade. It's a minority, but I have also had "A" cards by one grader get graded by another.

[vintagetoppsguy]

If the card is slabbed an "A" then it went through the grading process. It is graded.

My pet peeve is when sellers put "NM appearance" in the title when the card is graded "A" because it was trimmed. Duh, of course it looks NM, it's freaking trimmed. Stupid sellers.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If the card is slabbed an "A" then it went through the grading process. It is graded.

My pet peeve is when sellers put "NM appearance" in the title when the card is graded "A" because it was trimmed. Duh, of course it looks NM, it's freaking trimmed. Stupid sellers.

Raises hand sheepishly, I did that with an e75 John L Sullivan. It did sell however.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If the card is slabbed an "A" then it went through the grading process. It is graded.

My pet peeve is when sellers put "NM appearance" in the title when the card is graded "A" because it was trimmed. Duh, of course it looks NM, it's freaking trimmed. Stupid sellers.

Not true David....the "A" grade has the biggest collection of condition ranges there is. I have seen Hank Aaron rookie "A"s that have looked like that got run over by a truck. The "A" doesn't always mean trimmed.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not true David....the "A" grade has the biggest collection of condition ranges there is. I have seen Hank Aaron rookie "A"s that have looked like that got run over by a truck. The "A" doesn't always mean trimmed.

I think you misread my post. I understand there are other reasons for the "A" grade, but I meant specifically when the card is graded an "A" because it's trimmed. The purpose of trimming the card is to make the corners appear more sharper.

Then the seller puts in the title or body "NM appearance" or something similar. To me, that's just plain stupid. Of course it looks NM, it's trimmed. I could make all my EX and Ex/Mt cards look NM if I trimmed them.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If the card is slabbed an "A" then it went through the grading process. It is graded.

My pet peeve is when sellers put "NM appearance" in the title when the card is graded "A" because it was trimmed. Duh, of course it looks NM, it's freaking trimmed. Stupid sellers.

[irv]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I think you misread my post. I understand there are other reasons for the "A" grade, but I meant specifically when the card is graded an "A" because it's trimmed. The purpose of trimming the card is to make the corners appear more sharper.

Then the seller puts in the title or body "NM appearance" or something similar. To me, that's just plain stupid. Of course it looks NM, it's trimmed. I could make all my EX and Ex/Mt cards look NM if I trimmed them.

I get a kick out of that too! When the time comes to sell my cards, I am also going to state, other than the creases, bent corners, paper loss and scuff marks, this card is mint!

[drcy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't see it that way. I have had cards grade "A" that look MILESSSSSS better than a "poor" grade. It's a minority, but I have also had "A" cards by one grader get graded by another.

Irrelevant to what they look like, they grade either poor or less than poor.

Grades really are suppose to be applied to unaltered cards, with the Altered/Authentic grade being the odd-man-out or * designation being a matter of discussion. We all know what altered/authentic means, so whether or not "A" qualifies as a grade is a debate on the order of whether it's po-TAY-to or po-TAH-to.

[HRBAKER]

Of course it's been graded.

[drcy]

Actually, now that I think of it, I have heard collectors use the term "number graded." Type graders saying they want the rare card in any condition as long as it will be assigned a "number grade" (1-10), meaning it is unaltered.

There you go. Problem solved. Now we can move on and debate Peace in the Middle East and the theoretical possibility of cold fusion.

"But, David, you haven't actually solved the debate, but compartmentalized the issue and put the Authentic in another room."
"Shut up."

Immanuel Kant said that many arguments are not caused by disagreement over the main ideas, but that the arguers unknowingly define terms differently. Once the parties mutually set the definitions (which they didn’t do in the beginning), they are often surprised to discover how much they agree with each other.

Which leads us to So then, If a Tree Falls When No One's Around Does It Make a Sound or Doesn't It?

[HRBAKER]

I think I'll crack out the "Critique of Pure Reason."