Uh, postcard experts, a little help please......

[tjb1952tjb]

maybe not.............

[JollyElm]

Keeping in mind these photos aren't exactly to scale and whatnot, the nose seems significantly less prominent and his ears a little too elongated for Gandil. (And, although the hat gets in the way, he doesn't appear to have that wide, alien-looking forehead either.) However, the dark and light areas on the sides of his mouth to his cheeks are somewhat similar.

Here's a comparison...

Gandil closeup copy.jpg

[Brian Van Horn]

Tim and Darren,

Thank you both. I see your points, but there is something in the jaw line and in the way he comports himself in the photo, as well as his size, that tells me it's Gandil. Of course, "White Sox" on the back of the postcard for the ID points me in the Gandil direction, but as we've seen with the first player ID, that may not mean much.

By the way, Tim, I love the reaction of the player sitting next to Gandil in the Washington Senators photo. He's just leaning away as though Gandil just did something offensive.

[Exhibitman]

"Who is Turd Ferguson?"

You have to phrase it as a question.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by exhibitman

"who is turd ferguson?"

you have to phrase it as a question.

lol.

[edjs]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

"Who is Turd Ferguson?"

You have to phrase it as a question.

"This song from a 1999 animated film about censorship had a word censored from its Oscar performance."

"What is the Love Ballad of Turd Ferguson?"

This was done on the real Jeopardy.

[packs]

Everything I've ever read about Gandil after 1919 has him staying in either Southern California or playing briefly in the Southwest. I don't remember reading he ever returned to Canada or ever playing under an assumed name. In fact, I would think that for a guy like Gandil, his name was all he had if he wanted to earn some money as a ringer.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

...there is something in the jaw line and in the way he comports himself in the photo, as well as his size, that tells me it's Gandil.

The jaw lines don't match (yes I know you can't perceive that). And, "the way he comports himself" - what the heck does that mean? As to his size - what can you tell about his size unless you know the size of the players next to him? 3 strikes in one post - yer out!

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

The jaw lines don't match (yes I know you can't perceive that). And, "the way he comports himself" - what the heck does that mean? As to his size - what can you tell about his size unless you know the size of the players next to him? 3 strikes in one post - yer out!

I have asked you for your opinion and you insult me. Not good. As for being very bad at this, I have successfully identified in previous posts of items Roxy Walters:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...highlight=Roxy

Fritz Mollwitz:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...light=Mollwitz

Bill Carrigan, Ray Collins and Johnny Evers, although I miscounted and I'll give you credit for the proper counting in IDing Evers:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...light=Carrigan

Yeah, I really suck at this. An admission. Please note that I have not insulted you at any point in this post . I may be wrong on the Gandil, and you may disagree with me on the Waner, but it is Paul Waner.

[seablaster]

I think a poll on that Waner would prove most interesting.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by seablaster

I think a poll on that Waner would prove most interesting.

Feel free, Karthik. I have never minded being in the minority.

[bmarlowe1]

Brian - Any insult would have been in my first post -- at that point you didn't seem to take offense. The second post emphasized what I think was at best very fuzzy "thinking" as to your reasons for the Gandil ID. If you are offended by that I don't care.

Thanks for posting your facial ID resume. As a consultant on this particular subject (sometimes even paid) for major AH's, grading companies, Library of Congress, Boston Public Library, Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum to name a few (and even for non-baseball folks such as at the Harriet Beecher Stowe Museum), and having published literally a few hundred pages on the subject for SABR, I can tell you that people who have problems with this don't get them all wrong - they get a fair number of them right. The problem is that they can't tell the difference between when they get it right vs. when they are asserting an ID that is beyond ludicrous. Your Mollwitz ID was nicely done, but Your Gandil and Waner IDs are beyond ludicrous. If you are offended, I can live with that.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

Any insult would have been in my first post -- at that point you didn't seem to take offense. The second post emphasized what I think was at best very fuzzy "thinking" as to your reasons for the Gandil ID. If you are offended by that I don't care.

Thanks for posting your facial ID resume. As a consultant on this particular subject (sometimes even paid) for major AH's, grading companies, Library of Congress, Boston Public Library, Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum to name a few (and even for non-baseball folks such as at the Harriet Beecher Stowe Museum), and having published literally a few hundred pages on the subject for SABR, I can tell you that people who have problems with this don't get them all wrong - they get a fair number of them right. The problem is that they can't tell the difference between when they get it right vs. when they are asserting an ID that is beyond ludicrous. Your Mollwitz ID was nicely done, but Your Gandil and Waner IDs are beyond ludicrous. If you are offended, I can live with that.

We agree to disagree on the Waner. As for the Gandil, I may be wrong. Still, on other fronts, even with all the care that can be taken, even the most studied and precise of men can be wrong. Not an insult, just an observation from experience.