Bvg thoughts???

[ngnichols]

Originally Posted by 661fish

I am over the inconsistencies with PSA. I know all about SGC. I recently have aquired a few 50's and 60's cards that are beautiful and are what they were graded. Any thoughts about BVG?

Andy Broome is their vintage guy and he worked at PSA as a grader at one time. I know from the vintage I've submitted to them the grades are accurate and/or maybe even slightly conservative.

I had a 1948 Leaf - Jackie Robinson that was a BVG 4.5 and every single person who saw the card said it looked at least a full point better than that.

Obviously with the inherent bias in the industry, you're not going to get maximum possible value for the card, but there is definitely inconsistency that exists with PSA and how they view certain aspects of cards - namely centering.

[661fish]

I don't care about resale. PSA had gone downhill imo.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 661fish

I don't care about resale. PSA had gone downhill imo.

Then put them in whatever slab you like the best. To me SGC looks the best and BVG are built the strongest.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Then put them in whatever slab you like the best. To me SGC looks the best and BVG are built the strongest.

+1.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by 661fish

I don't care about resale. PSA had gone downhill imo.

You just lost me there...

[Dewey]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

You just lost me there...

Which part? I feel the same about the first part. Don't know enough about the second part.

[661fish]

In your guys opinion, does Beckett do a good job with vintage? That's what I was trying to get at?

[samosa4u]

Beckett does do a good job grading vintage cards, but the problem is that they have a small market share. They are popular when it comes to modern cards though. Their holder is pretty secure and you need a sledgehammer to break it.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Beckett does do a good job grading vintage cards, but the problem is that they have a small market share. They are popular when it comes to modern cards though. Their holder is pretty secure and you need a sledgehammer to break it.

You think they are small, you should look at GAI.....talk about the collapse of a good thing.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Beckett does do a good job grading vintage cards, but the problem is that they have a small market share. They are popular when it comes to modern cards though. Their holder is pretty secure and you need a sledgehammer to break it.

...yeah but sometimes you have to hold their hand and then re-submit providing more information which one would think they would already have somewhere in their specs library.....if you famously provide large holders and have the word "vintage" in your name , people expect you to identify large vintage sportscards...this incident was years ago , so I presume by now they are more proficient with Dizzy Dean Metropolitan Studios Premiums that were drawn on by some kid back in 1931 ;( really good job too )

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[661fish]

Basically dies Beckett do a good job with vintage?

[herbc]

I've never had a problem with BVG. Have used all of them with similar results. If you're fed up with PSA, why not try something different.

[Leon]

I think BVG does a great job with vintage.

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[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think BVG does a great job with vintage.

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Agreed, and their holders and service are outstanding...

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 661fish

I don't care about resale. PSA had gone downhill imo.

The market disagrees with you.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by ngnichols

Andy Broome is their vintage guy and he worked at PSA as a grader at one time. I know from the vintage I've submitted to them the grades are accurate and/or maybe even slightly conservative.

I had a 1948 Leaf - Jackie Robinson that was a BVG 4.5 and every single person who saw the card said it looked at least a full point better than that.

Obviously with the inherent bias in the industry, you're not going to get maximum possible value for the card, but there is definitely inconsistency that exists with PSA and how they view certain aspects of cards - namely centering.

As far as I know, Andy never worked for PSA. I think he was working for a different TPG when he came to Beckett.

[Exhibitman]

Mixed bag.

Their holder is insane--Fort Knox compared to the others.

The card condom on every card can make it difficult to view and scan as compared to other services.

Grading is inconsistently consistent. They are less adverse to minor damage than PSA. A card with a corner ding that would get a 4 from PSA will get a 6-6.5 from BVG. The reality of the grade IMO is somewhere in between.

The subgrades for higher grade items are interesting in that they give you some idea of what the graders focused on.



The branding is very confusing. BVG, BCCG, and now BVA too.

The new black label for their pristine grade is nice idea



I am waiting for the one that goes to 11.

[drcy]

SCD Authentic had a grade of 11.

[swarmee]

PSA returns their fair share of "we don't grade this" or "we don't know what it is" or "it has to be a recognized variation somewhere else". BVG is good for what it is. But with the high bulk price and awful turnaround times on bulk orders, even the young kids are getting angry at the company and are shifting money towards PSA on modern cards.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by swarmee

PSA returns their fair share of "we don't grade this" or "we don't know what it is" or "it has to be a recognized variation somewhere else". BVG is good for what it is. But with the high bulk price and awful turnaround times on bulk orders, even the young kids are getting angry at the company and are shifting money towards PSA on modern cards.

I guess to be the industry "leader" you've got to do a lot of following.

[SMPEP]

Originally Posted by drcy

SCD Authentic had a grade of 11.

I thought that was only available in Belgium.