A modest proposal for the Baseball HOF

[bravos4evr]

who cares about that? It's a ton better than being forced to keep a guy like Maddux off because you want to ensure a guy like Tim Raines stays on the ballot. Plus, it would clear the present logjam fairly quickly.

[Snapolit1]

I was in Cooperstown in January. While they are not "enshrined" in the hall, there are displays that discuss Bonds, Rose, Sosa, etc. I thought they were handled really well. Talked about their accomplishments and records but in the context of the scandals that enveloped their careers. It's not like you can't utter their names in the building or anything. I think it's actually perfect they way it is. These guys are all "in" the hall of fame, and acknowledged, but they are not given the ultimate honor. I'm perfectly fine with that.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I was in Cooperstown in January. While they are not "enshrined" in the hall, there are displays that discuss Bonds, Rose, Sosa, etc. I thought they were handled really well. Talked about their accomplishments and records but in the context of the scandals that enveloped their careers. It's not like you can't utter their names in the building or anything. I think it's actually perfect they way it is. These guys are all "in" the hall of fame, and acknowledged, but they are not given the ultimate honor. I'm perfectly fine with that.

+1

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I was in Cooperstown in January. While they are not "enshrined" in the hall, there are displays that discuss Bonds, Rose, Sosa, etc. I thought they were handled really well. Talked about their accomplishments and records but in the context of the scandals that enveloped their careers. It's not like you can't utter their names in the building or anything. I think it's actually perfect they way it is. These guys are all "in" the hall of fame, and acknowledged, but they are not given the ultimate honor. I'm perfectly fine with that.

Did you see the display when you walk in the Hof? Clemente, Jackie and Gehrig. Character and Courage. They make it pretty clear their stance on dopers and cheaters.

What should be done is anyone caught using should be permanently banned from the HOF like the did with Pete Rose. If they were in an Olympic sport, they would get a lifetime ban. MLB's weak stance on cheaters got baseball (and softball) removed from the Olympics for 2 Olympiads. MLB, because of the Union, is never going to do the right thing. The HOF should. Then there will be room on the ballot for deserving players to get appropriate consideration.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by rats60

Did you see the display when you walk in the Hof? Clemente, Jackie and Gehrig. Character and Courage. They make it pretty clear their stance on dopers and cheaters.

What should be done is anyone caught using should be permanently banned from the HOF like the did with Pete Rose. If they were in an Olympic sport, they would get a lifetime ban. MLB's weak stance on cheaters got baseball (and softball) removed from the Olympics for 2 Olympiads. MLB, because of the Union, is never going to do the right thing. The HOF should. Then there will be room on the ballot for deserving players to get appropriate consideration.

Lifetime ban? In what sport?

For most it's a year or two maybe less for the first time and depending on what was detected and the player and organization. For example, a brand new international competitor who has a bagel with poppy seeds will test positive for opioids. If their response is something like "oh c*** I totally spaced and had that darn bagel " They might get a much more minor penalty after appeal. Currently, if they're From Russia or another country with a lot of doping or in a sport that's been hit recently with a lot of it they won't get off as easily.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by steve B

Lifetime ban? In what sport?

For most it's a year or two maybe less for the first time and depending on what was detected and the player and organization. For example, a brand new international competitor who has a bagel with poppy seeds will test positive for opioids. If their response is something like "oh c*** I totally spaced and had that darn bagel " They might get a much more minor penalty after appeal. Currently, if they're From Russia or another country with a lot of doping or in a sport that's been hit recently with a lot of it they won't get off as easily.

Lance Armstrong says hi.

[FirstYearCards]

Cap the number of HOF'ers at (100, 200 etc.) Once cap reached, if someone new is voted in, somoeone else gets booted. Keeps it to the best of all time not of their time.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by FirstYearCards

Cap the number of HOF'ers at (100, 200 etc.) Once cap reached, if someone new is voted in, somoeone else gets booted. Keeps it to the best of all time not of their time.

Interesting idea.