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Old 08-24-2017, 09:46 AM
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Man oh man I was drooling over this one. Congrats to the winner. $15k sounds good when you compare to the Carolina Spinners going for $37k.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:54 AM
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Greenville Spinners was his first professional team and a much nicer photo
He is also buried in Greenville. VM photo is great also
Wonder why those two reappeared in this auction when they were " sold" last October?
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Old 08-24-2017, 10:23 AM
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Same with the 1909 Philadelphia photo (who won it??) being relisted.

Think the same guy went after the key Jackson pieces last year and didn't pay.

Would be proud to own any of the three photos.
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Another pickup and now I'm done. Kind of a cockamamy auction for those of us used to the usual AHs but no denying that there were some fabulous goodies to drool over and maybe take a shot at.
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Man oh man I was drooling over this one. Congrats to the winner. $15k sounds good when you compare to the Carolina Spinners going for $37k.
The Mills photo is awesome, but I liked the Spinners cabinet much more also. As Craig said, the Spinners were Jackson's first professional team (Class D, I believe) which is super important to many, including me. I also believe that that was where he earned his nickname.
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So if you use their in house shipping you don't have to pay NY sales tax. If you pick up or use a third party shipper, you have to pay NY sales tax.

Gah?

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It all depends on where possession of the purchase take place to determine is sales tax is charged. Since a third party shipper is taking possession of those items from Christies in NYC they have to charge sales tax on those items.

Christies was going to charge right at $1,400 to ship but I was able to get the UPS Store on 82 Nassau Street in NYC to pick up, package and ship to me with $5k insurance for $312.05. Yes, I had to pay the $188 sales tax but after it's all said and done I still saved $900 using a third party shipper.


The UPS store # is 212-406-9010 if anyone wants to use them to ship.

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As with many other national and international AH's they charge sales tax to more than just NY, so you may want to check to see how that affects you as well. Sometimes you will pay the sales tax either way.
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It all depends on where possession of the purchase take place to determine is sales tax is charged. Since a third party shipper is taking possession of those items from Christies in NYC they have to charge sales tax on those items.

Christies was going to charge right at $1,400 to ship but I was able to get the UPS Store on 82 Nassau Street in NYC to pick up, package and ship to me with $5k insurance for $312.05. Yes, I had to pay the $188 sales tax but after it's all said and done I still saved $900 using a third party shipper.


The UPS store # is 212-406-9010 if anyone wants to use them to ship.
For me Christie's shipping is $526.96 or the sales tax is $521.41.

I'm screwed either way.

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last auction I had my niece who's attending college in NYC pick up for me and ship to CA. Didn't pay tax or the outrageous shipping charges. Hoping to do the same this time around.
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last auction I had my niece who's attending college in NYC pick up for me and ship to CA. Didn't pay tax or the outrageous shipping charges. Hoping to do the same this time around.
Wouldn't there have been taxes?
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It all depends on where possession of the purchase take place to determine is sales tax is charged. Since a third party shipper is taking possession of those items from Christies in NYC they have to charge sales tax on those items.

Christies was going to charge right at $1,400 to ship but I was able to get the UPS Store on 82 Nassau Street in NYC to pick up, package and ship to me with $5k insurance for $312.05. Yes, I had to pay the $188 sales tax but after it's all said and done I still saved $900 using a third party shipper.


The UPS store # is 212-406-9010 if anyone wants to use them to ship.


I might have to do that too. They want to charge me over $1300 for shipping, $185 for insurance and $1600 for sales tax. That is crazy. I can ship my car overseas for cheaper than the shipping. Do you have a contact at that UPS location?
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There were so many others I wanted!!! Kid in a Candy Store. I was lucky to get these
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Great stuff Kevin! I was bidding on all 3 of those. Congrats!
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Kevin,

I dealt with Kershelle at the UPS store. Unfortunately, with your situation it would be cheaper for them to ship to you directly and save the $115 not paying sales tax.

I completely understand the high shipping cost when dealing with priceless pieces of art but to charge $147 which doesn't even include insurance to ship a 1911 Chicago Cubs season pass which is the size of a credit card is crazy. It could be shipped in the most protective way possible and sent overnight with insurance for a 1/4 of the price they were charging me.



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I dealt with Kershelle at the UPS store. Unfortunately, with your situation it would be cheaper for them to ship to you directly and save the $115 not paying sales tax.

I completely understand the high shipping cost when dealing with priceless pieces of art but to charge $147 which doesn't even include insurance to ship a 1911 Chicago Cubs season pass which is the size of a credit card is crazy. It could be shipped in the most protective way possible and sent overnight with insurance for a 1/4 of the price they were charging me.

Its such a racket! When I talked to them they couldn't give me a answer why shipping is so high. hahaha.. Im more inclined to paying the higher amount in NY taxes to go to the state over giving this auction house any more of my money. Now we are getting into a principle matter for me haha
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Man oh man I was drooling over this one. Congrats to the winner. $15k sounds good when you compare to the Carolina Spinners going for $37k.
Thanks AJ. Was happy to win the Vic Mills as I have the postcard to make a great companion piece with. I was under bidder in the Spinners Cabinet and thought that was a great item as well! And congrats on great pickups!

Craig, I noticed both Jackson items being relisted as well and when I spoke to a rep at Christies they said a bidder reneged on those items. This is why I question a week ago about how Christies determines what kind of budget to allow bidders.

Ben, love the La Azura Photo and let me know when you are done with it! Thank you for sharing where that image came from because I knew it look familiar and couldn't think where I've seen it before. Now I know.

I'm curious who I got in a bidding war with over the 1910 Cobb in Cuba postcard? I'm glad to see other "crazed bidders" out there like me. ��

I don't think you could go wrong with any lot from that auction as many of those items belong in a museum.
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Jay it was you and I toe to toe on the Vic Mills. Glad you got it. I was sweating a little and couldn't pull the trigger one more time.

David I was also in on that Speaker photo and was going to add it to the one I got during last auction. If you ever want to part with it let me know!

I also loved the stand alone Cobb photo with the amazing clarity. Think it went for $3k? It was sweet! Anyone here win it?
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Nice job, AJ. The 1930 panoramic photo was taken at an Old Timer's Day sponsored by the Boston Post. Proceeds benefited the Children's Hospital of Boston and also went toward a pension fund that Ban Johnson tried to establish, and it celebrated the 1903 Red Sox team.

A few auctions ago I sold a large-format autographed piece that was presented to Lou Criger (who was ill and couldn't make the game), along with another copy of this photo. I believe that the photos were made for the players and other people associated with the game. The consignor of this collection also had a bat from the game that sold in the last auction - it was an Eddie Collins bat that was signed by something like 51 people from the game. The bat was used by JIMMY Collins to get the game's first hit. Once I saw this poster I wondered if perhaps it was the copy given to Eddie or Jimmy.

In any event, great pickup; I was an underbidder!

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Al thanks for this additional info! I remember the Lou Criger piece wishing I could own something a fraction as historic. Having this history is what makes these items so special!
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Thanks AJ. Was happy to win the Vic Mills as I have the postcard to make a great companion piece with. I was under bidder in the Spinners Cabinet and thought that was a great item as well! And congrats on great pickups!

Craig, I noticed both Jackson items being relisted as well and when I spoke to a rep at Christies they said a bidder reneged on those items. This is why I question a week ago about how Christies determines what kind of budget to allow bidders.

Ben, love the La Azura Photo and let me know when you are done with it! Thank you for sharing where that image came from because I knew it look familiar and couldn't think where I've seen it before. Now I know.

I'm curious who I got in a bidding war with over the 1910 Cobb in Cuba postcard? I'm glad to see other "crazed bidders" out there like me. ��

I don't think you could go wrong with any lot from that auction as many of those items belong in a museum.
reneged? with all that goes on,you unfortunately have to wonder if they were shills that accidentally won. Christie's and Sotheby's, even though they're the most famous, don't exactly have squeaky clean histories either. There's an American Greed about them too.
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reneged? with all that goes on,you unfortunately have to wonder if they were shills that accidentally won. Christie's and Sotheby's, even though they're the most famous, don't exactly have squeaky clean histories either. There's an American Greed about them too.
From what I understand all of these items came from the same consigner and many sold really, really cheap (a lot less than they would have been purchased for based on previous sales of the same item). I wouldnt think it makes sense to look in that direction for shilling. Unless it was someone who wanted to manipulate the market?
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Was happy to win the Vic Mills as I have the postcard to make a great companion piece with.

Craig, I noticed both Jackson items being relisted as well and when I spoke to a rep at Christies they said a bidder reneged on those items. This is why I question a week ago about how Christies determines what kind of budget to allow bidders.

Ben, love the La Azura Photo and let me know when you are done with it! Thank you for sharing where that image came from because I knew it look familiar and couldn't think where I've seen it before. Now I know.

I don't think you could go wrong with any lot from that auction as many of those items belong in a museum.
Thank you, congrats on your pickup as well. There were lots of bargains to be had. I picked up 3 items not described as card images(kind of an important thing to miss in the current market). This Cobb is a monster IMO.

Also, Christies gave no guarantee on time periods or the way in which the photos were developed(everything sold as is) so I believe that potentially hurt some of the pieces. I know for sure that they had issues with the last auction(things not original including a 1917 white sox photo/example). I wonder if some reneged items actually means "not what I thought it was". 4 and 5 figures was just too much for me(for example) to risk.

I think just like the last auction, you will have very very happy people and some that are disappointed once they receive their items. I took the conservative approach with guaranteed happiness. I know the scans(as said earlier) were not very good so I expect everything I get to look better in person.

There are a lot Net54 guys that bought in Christies for good reason. Photos have been promoted here for a long time by long time collectors and dealers so there is a good pool here. There are not a lot of other places to talk photos in depth in large numbers. I am happy to see so many great items go to members. Again... that Joe Wood though..damn... If it didn't go to such a good home I would be very disappointed. Great stuff everyone(as stated above-you can't go wrong with this stuff posted).
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You cracking the Cobb out of the PSA holder when you get it?

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You cracking the Cobb out of the PSA holder when you get it?

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We shall see how scratched up it is(looks like it took a beating by the scans in Christies).
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You cracking the Cobb out of the PSA holder when you get it?

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I do hate those holders!! Amazing stuff as always Ben!! Love that La Azora Cobbie!
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Ok I have a million dollar idea, please remember me with whoever runs with it.

Photos are exploding!

PSA holders are butt ugly!

Someone come up with an authentication service with a vintage frame looking holder, that actually adds to the photo not subtracts.

Rhys?
Tom C?
Ben?
AJ?
KevLewis?
Other Paul?
Bueller?
Bueller?

Somebody!

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Ok I have a million dollar idea, please remember me with whoever runs with it.

Photos are exploding!

PSA holders are butt ugly!

Someone come up with an authentication service with a vintage frame looking holder, that actually adds to the photo not subtracts.

Rhys?
Tom C?
Ben?
AJ?
KevLewis?
Other Paul?
Bueller?
Bueller?

Somebody!

Send beer in lieu of payment.
They should take a look at the currency holders. Smaller, thinner holders that have a little flex in them. I love the rating system that RHY does on their listings and now they include a certificate to go along with the photo.

Bueller name should be replaced with HENRY YEE
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Ok I have a million dollar idea, please remember me with whoever runs with it.

Photos are exploding!

PSA holders are butt ugly!

Someone come up with an authentication service with a vintage frame looking holder, that actually adds to the photo not subtracts.

Rhys?
Tom C?
Ben?
AJ?
KevLewis?
Other Paul?
Bueller?
Bueller?

Somebody!

Send beer in lieu of payment.
Definitely don't include me on vintage photos. I don't know my ass from my elbow on the topic. I just buy what I like.

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I do hate those holders!! Amazing stuff as always Ben!! Love that La Azora Cobbie!
Thank you Paul. The Joe Jizno is outstanding.

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