7 inning pitchers rule

Cmount76 · #1 08-14-2017, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Classic. Sale was cruising through 7 -- 12Ks, 4 hits, 1 run. Of course, he has to come out because oh my God he had thrown 114 pitchers. Reliever immediately gets tagged.

^^ Is the exact reason Young's career win record will never be broken!

Peter_Spaeth · #2 08-14-2017, 07:42 PM

These dudes are already on every fifth day as opposed to every fourth which was the norm for most of baseball history. And now for the most part they can't go past the seventh inning? I continue to find it baffling.

bravos4evr · #3 08-14-2017, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

These dudes are already on every fifth day as opposed to every fourth which was the norm for most of baseball history. And now for the most part they can't go past the seventh inning? I continue to find it baffling.

They can, but they don't because they cost so much money, are the riskiest for injury and have such good relief specialization . (well, when used properly which most managers still screw up)

Teams have figured out more and more how to optimize production. It's been shown that that even having a starter might be a bad idea for team wins relative to using a group of relievers who never face a lineup more than once per game. In 30 years, the starting pitcher may be as dead as the spitballer and the slap hitter

Peter_Spaeth · #4 08-14-2017, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bravos4evr

They can, but they don't because they cost so much money, are the riskiest for injury and have such good relief specialization . (well, when used properly which most managers still screw up)

Teams have figured out more and more how to optimize production. It's been shown that that even having a starter might be a bad idea for team wins relative to using a group of relievers who never face a lineup more than once per game. In 30 years, the starting pitcher may be as dead as the spitballer and the slap hitter

I know it's anecdotal but it seems I have seen innumerable games where the starter is on cruise control, gets yanked because of the pitch count, and the pen immediately gets shelled. Now I guess the comeback to that is yeah but the starter isn't nearly as effective past a point and might have been shelled anyhow.

1952boyntoncollector · #5 08-15-2017, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I know it's anecdotal but it seems I have seen innumerable games where the starter is on cruise control, gets yanked because of the pitch count, and the pen immediately gets shelled. Now I guess the comeback to that is yeah but the starter isn't nearly as effective past a point and might have been shelled anyhow.

You can just look at the long sample size of what a lineup does against the same pitcher in a given game on their 2nd 3rd and 4th time up and you will see a long term trend of batting average going up and up.

Heck its usually pretty hard for a pitcher to face the same lineup in back to back starts

Peter_Spaeth · #6 08-15-2017, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

You can just look at the long sample size of what a lineup does against the same pitcher in a given game on their 2nd 3rd and 4th time up and you will see a long term trend of batting average going up and up.

Heck its usually pretty hard for a pitcher to face the same lineup in back to back starts

Perhaps, but isn't that offset by the fact that your starters are better pitchers than your relievers, for the most part? There's a reason, presumably, you want more innings out of those top 4 guys than the rest of the staff.

savedfrommyspokes · #7 08-15-2017, 08:40 AM

Farrell is nowhere near the class of Billy Martin was in the early 80s in regards to the disregard of pitch counts. Now it becomes more apparent why teams have improved bull-pens as many batters work to stretch counts during each plate appearance.

I read this article a few years ago about Martin:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul...chers-20110719

bravos4evr · #8 08-15-2017, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Perhaps, but isn't that offset by the fact that your starters are better pitchers than your relievers, for the most part? There's a reason, presumably, you want more innings out of those top 4 guys than the rest of the staff.

this is starting to be not true! so many relievers have become specialized on doing one thing (get leftys out for example) that it is probably easier to win if you threw 4 relievers at a lineup every game.

much less fun to watch tho

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