Andrelton Simmons second in WAR?

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by rats60

This is why WAR is worthless to use when comparing players who play different positions.

no, this is EXACTLY what WAR is for, it was created to compare players across leagues, eras and positions. (which is why fangraph's version has league and park and run enviornment adjusted stats in it's formula) There is defensive adjustment by position that accounts for that.

If you want it to look more realistic STOP USING BASEBALL REFERENCE. It's formula is bad, and outdated.

Fangraphs has Simba 11th in batter fWAR (and this includes defense and baserunning) at 4.6, 1.3 behind #1 Altuve & Judge at 5.9. .

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...lter=&players=


I think that the rub is traditional stats people have kinda ignored the value od defense and base running and over focused on batting alone just because of the nature of stats. But Simbais hitting23% above an average player, playing the best defense in baseball and is an above avg base runner. This adds up to tremendous value.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The Fangraphs version seems much more realistic to me in assessing Simmons. It also moves Betts down a bit from the ESPN version, which despite being a Red Sox fan I agree with. It also only rates Arenado 21st with which I agree also; his stats seem very park inflated to me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I wonder about the pitching part of Fangraphs though. Severino tied with Kershaw?

[packs]

That's the old eye test comes in handy no matter how much people want to down play it.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wonder about the pitching part of Fangraphs though. Severino tied with Kershaw?

They have similar K/9 and BB/9 and FIP and Severino has a couple more innings. Plus, remember that park and league factors come into play, Severino facing DH's, playing at Yankee Stadium helps him a bit too.