Thoughts on this? (Round 2)

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Good to know there is no review in that process. Huge loophole for the Mexican dude, I suspect.

Didn't someone here reholder a card recently and was told it had to be reviewed? Then again the PSA 9 49 B Robinson RC in the other thread is in a new holder with a huge print defect on his hat.

[glynparson]

They do not lower grades on review unless the holder had damage in which case they sometimes claim the damaged holder compromised the cards grade. Otherwise they won't lower the grade. Is this right probably not but we know this grading game is far from perfect. They may at times try to buy something egregious back or if it is counterfeit but overgraded they just reslab. They also check the holders for authenticity. Because of the Mexican cartel a hole.

[botn]

Here is the description from the Memory Lane listing in May. It is almost irresponsible. On second thought it is irresponsible.

(LOT 10)
1909 T206 Piedmont 150/25 Christy Mathewson Portrait PSA 6 EX-MT

Presented here is a stellar PSA 6 T206 Portrait Mathewson "Piedmont 150 Cigarettes" gem that is synonymous with Mathewson's unparalleled legacy, has defiantly withstood the test of time. When the name Christy Mathewson comes up for conversation, similar to the renowned former "E.F. Hutton" commercial, people listen! Mathewson's iconic status in baseball history cannot be overemphasized, with Christy unquestionably regarded as one of the greatest pitchers to ever toe a Major league pitching rubber. Mathewson amassed an amazing 373 lifetime victories, 2.13 lifetime E.R.A., and accumulated four 30-win seasons.

Even more impressive were his 3 World Series shutouts against Connie Mack's 1905 A.L. champion Athletics, prompting the legendary Mack to state: "Christy Mathewson was the greatest pitcher who ever lived. It was wonderful to watch him pitch when he wasn't pitching against you". Yet, all of his incredible pitching achievements are just part of his unparalleled legacy since he was a childhood hero to most aspiring baseball youths. Virtually all young boys worshiped the "Big Six" due to his combined pitching prowess and gentleman like status, ultimately resulting in his immortal nickname "The Christian Gentleman".

For all of the aforementioned reasons, Mathewson's T206 mementos are highly sought after by advanced collectors, with his "portrait" tobacco card the most prominent of the three classic Matty subjects issued by the ATC. Mathewson's unparalleled reverence is perfectly emanated via this classic Carl Horner headshot pose with his facial hues as vibrant as the original distribution date over a century ago. The T206 Mathewson portrait subject arguably depicts one of Matty's most defining poses from the "dead-ball" era, and you can literally sense his regal presence via the impeccable registration, crystal clear clarity and colorful brilliance emanating from this spectacular image.

Additional superlatives include a rich orange/yellow setting, bright white borders, right-angled corners and an extremely bold blue "Piedmont 150 Subjects" ad back. Preventing this card from achieving a higher grade is the skewed centering that favors the upper left edges as well as some diminutive surface scuffing along the left border. Yet these more than forgiving blemishes are more than offset by the card's overall brilliance that serves as a stout reminder of Matty's incomparable stature!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

"Mathewson's unparalleled reverence is perfectly emanated via this classic Carl Horner headshot pose with his facial hues as vibrant as the original distribution date over a century ago."

"Yet these more than forgiving blemishes are more than offset by the card's overall brilliance"

When hyperbole and grammar/usage collide nobody wins.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

"Mathewson's unparalleled reverence is perfectly emanated via this classic Carl Horner headshot pose with his facial hues as vibrant as the original distribution date over a century ago."

"Yet these more than forgiving blemishes are more than offset by the card's overall brilliance"

When hyperbole and grammar/usage collide nobody wins.

Actually, if the winner of the lot thinks he's buying a legit 6 there are some clear winners: Memory Lane and the consignor. And weren't the scans very large and clear in the Memory Lane listing for this card? I think we're all so used to the typical fluffing and BS in auction descriptions that I can easily excuse ML for theirs here due to the great scans they put up. If you can't see the flaws on this card then overspending for this card -- which I consider to be an ugly 2 at best -- is the least of your problems.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I was just making fun of the awful writing. I think we're all agreed on the main point of the thread.

I do have a problem with hyperbole though. I would maintain that I put up pretty awesome scans on ebay and I still point out flaws, tell people when I think a card is over-graded etc... It's called honesty.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It would be so much better if people just put up good scans and spared us all the bullshit. I can see writing up memorabilia; I can see providing information about a rare or unusual card; but on mainstream cards no. It all reads like parody.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Actually, if the winner of the lot thinks he's buying a legit 6 there are some clear winners: Memory Lane and the consignor. And weren't the scans very large and clear in the Memory Lane listing for this card? I think we're all so used to the typical fluffing and BS in auction descriptions that I can easily excuse ML for theirs here due to the great scans they put up. If you can't see the flaws on this card then overspending for this card -- which I consider to be an ugly 2 at best -- is the least of your problems.

The buyer certainly wasn't a winner. Paid 3888 and sold for 3012. After fees that is a loss of more than 1200 unless he was shilling the card and ended up winning his own card.