Gehrig 1925 Exhibit

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Price fluxuations happening with that card. Goodwin sold one under 20k a couple of months this ago. LOTG sold one for 30k which didn't seem any better than the Goodwin one. I wouldn't pay more than 20k for it. Yes, I saw the HA ones that fetched a lot more a year ago, but since then the prices have come down. Be patient as more will turn up soon including the next LOTG auction which is much nicer than the eBay one

The SGC 60 in LOTG is beautiful, but to my eye it looks quite light/white compared to Scott's posted above and reproduced here for comparison, as well as others I have seen. I suppose it could just be the scan, which is as is from the website, but the contrast is rather striking to me. Are there variations in the tints perhaps?

[oldjudge]

Personally, I do not think postcards or exhibits are cards so for me this would not be his rookie card.

[orly57]

The '25 exhibits isn't a postcard. It is postcard-size, but not a postcard. It is blank-backed.
How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? In packs of hot dogs? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Stahl Meyer (oversized)? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by orly57

The '25 exhibits isn't a postcard. It is postcard-size, but not a postcard. It is blank-backed.
How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

[irv]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by orly57

The '25 exhibits isn't a postcard. It is postcard-size, but not a postcard. It is blank-backed.
How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

Jay didn't say the Gehrig was a postcard. He said he didn't think postcards OR exhibits were baseball cards.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jay didn't say the Gehrig was a postcard. He said he didn't think postcards OR exhibits were baseball cards.

How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? In packs of hot dogs? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Stahl Meyer? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

Fixed for Peter
And to clarify, the card on the left is not really a card, but the one on the right is.

[botn]

There was just a great thread on what a "rookie card" is. This will never be agreed upon. However it is pretty clear the consensus of the hobby is that the 25 Exhibit is Gehrig's rookie.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by botn

There was just a great thread on what a "rookie card" is. This will never be agreed upon. However it is pretty clear the consensus of the hobby is that the 25 Exhibit is Gehrig's rookie.

I think that's right; 10 years ago it may have been less clear but Exhibits have become generally accepted by most hobbyists.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Thanks Orlando. As far as the rest of it goes, I don't think there is really any good way to define a card, someone could always find some inconsistency in your definition. Not sure why it matters, as the old cliché goes, CWYL. Anyhow there were tons of debates on this question back in the days when Hal Lewis was obsessed with collecting rookie cards of HOFers, and I think some of Phil Garry's posts provoked some good discussions too.

Anyone wanna talk about the SGC 60? Seems not.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by orly57

Fixed for Peter
And to clarify, the card on the left is not really a card, but the one on the right is.

And the card on the right... just who is that Pipp guy?

Never heard much of him after Gehrig...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by orly57

The '25 exhibits isn't a postcard. It is postcard-size, but not a postcard. It is blank-backed.
How about if it were just as tall, but thinner like a Namath rookie? Or does it need to be small like a T206, but no bigger than a 52 topps? Does it need stats or bios on the back? Are blank-backs "cards" in your opinion? How about redemption cards with coupons that were to be traded for ice cream? Does it need advertising, or does it have to come with gum or tobacco to be a card? With bread? With candy? In a magazine? In packs of hot dogs? Do you consider T3's to be cards? Stahl Meyer (oversized)? Or what about Old Judge Cabinets? Are those "cards?" Please tell me what a baseball card is. I thought it was cardboard images of players which were distributed to the public.

Could it be a blank backed postcard? The debate over what a card is will never be settled because it can't be...

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[Frank A]

Well the latest Gehrig exhibit rookie, a SGC 60, (5), just sold at LOTG for the sum of $82,419. I guess there's no dought that his card prices are holding for real

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The SGC 60 in LOTG is beautiful, but to my eye it looks quite light/white compared to Scott's posted above and reproduced here for comparison, as well as others I have seen. I suppose it could just be the scan, which is as is from the website, but the contrast is rather striking to me. Are there variations in the tints perhaps?

Many times the person or should I say the graphic artist who does the scanning for the AH works diligently to make sure the image comes out in the most flattering way. I can't tell you how many times I have recieved my auction winnings, to only discover when I got the card in hand the crease seems to be a lot bigger and deeper than what was shown in the catalog or online. The LOTG Gehrig that is currently being auctioned is a great looking card. I've seen it in person and the grade is very accurate from SGC. Hopefully it won't be crossed over.

[botn]

I think the scan of the 25 Gehrig in LOTG was done with too much contrast if you look at the SGC label. Would be nice to see the card in hand but I don't think there is too much risk of someone crossing it to PSA 5 holder, but ya never know, due to the snow/surface wear. Besides like most cards, a 25 Gehrig looks much better in an SGC holder.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Many times the person or should I say the graphic artist who does the scanning for the AH works diligently to make sure the image comes out in the most flattering way. I can't tell you how many times I have recieved my auction winnings, to only discover when I got the card in hand the crease seems to be a lot bigger and deeper than what was shown in the catalog or online. The LOTG Gehrig that is currently being auctioned is a great looking card. I've seen it in person and the grade is very accurate from SGC. Hopefully it won't be crossed over.

So are you saying in hand it looks like the PSA 4 in terms of brightness/tint?

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So are you saying in hand it looks like the PSA 4 in terms of brightness/tint?

I would never make it as a grader. Something I might give a 7 will get hammered as a 4 or 5 and vise versa. With the later being more probable.

The Gehrig card we are speaking about, I did not study it and only looked at for 5 seconds.

When buying any 1925/26 exhibit I would study the brightness/tint as they are key to determine what year it is. Hopefully a graphic artist doesn't change the color tint in a scan which might make the card pop more for the catalog picture.

#Notallgraded1925exhibitsare1925

[Peter_Spaeth]

So you didn't study it, and only looked at it for 5 seconds, yet you assured us before the grade is "very accurate." Count me as confused.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So you didn't study it, and only looked at it for 5 seconds, yet you assured us before the grade is "very accurate." Count me as confused.

Slow day at the law office Peter? Most of "us" know if we like a card in about 5 to 10 seconds. I just squeezed another 5 seconds in which I'm sure you picked up in being a detailed person. When you referred to "us" is that you and some loyal followers you have? Is it you representing all collectors, or is it representing you and your best friend lassie your loyal 🐶

Try not to hijack another thread or make something out of nothing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

JC, you really should quit while you are behind.

"Us" is the board, obviously. I was referring to your post where you confidently pronounced that the grade was "very accurate."

And you must be a better man than I am, because I could never make that determination -- recall cards have a back too -- in 5 seconds. Especially about an expensive vintage card. Sure, I would know whether I liked it, but that wasn't the question. Nice attempted deflection though.

And I am not hijacking the thread at all. The thread is about 1925 Exhibit Gehrigs. We are discussing one. Indeed, you first raised the topic of the one in LOTG. Now that it is live, I posted because I was struck by the (apparent) contrast between it and others I have seen, and was interested in what people had to say. As you said you had seen the card, I asked you a perfectly reasonable question, and you begged off.

Feel free to respond with more remarks like the one about Lassie though. Very impressive.