The real truth about Peter Nash

[Cooptown]

I have always been intrigued by Peter Nash. His brother Brian was an asst coach at my college (St. Bonaventure) and was the nicest guy. Women loved him. I had a buddy that thought about becoming a team manager and that was his contact. He mentioned to me one time; did you know Brian Nash's brother Peter was in Third Base and it always stuck with me.

When I re-entered the hobby after college, I heard his name a lot and had have read some of his articles. The HOS twitter account has been very active lately with the selling of the Sheen/Ruth items. I have always wondered who exactly Peter Nash was, outside of a controversial blogger and former rapper. Collector? Writer? What were his motivations? But any thread on him seemed like a hot topic and there were many pages (too lazy to comb through it all).

I guess this 411 page document outlines it all.

[irv]

I don't know American law, and not much about CDN law either, but what are the chances the individual who wrote the cease and desist letter ever collects any of his money?

I can also assume Peter Nash is in hiding or his whereabouts are unknown, but if he is ever located, can his assets be sold (if he has any?) to help pay off the award?

[Cooptown]

Originally Posted by irv

I don't know American law, and not much about CDN law either, but what are the chances the individual who wrote the cease and desist letter ever collects any of his money?

I can also assume Peter Nash is in hiding or his whereabouts are unknown, but if he is ever located, can his assets be sold (if he has any?) to help pay off the award?

I'm also curious to know how many people are behind Halls of Shame? The HOS twitter account was active this morning. Is Peter Nash still posting and "liking" or are there many people with access to their twitter account.

Is there a Cliff's note version to who Peter Nash is?

[Keith H. Thompson]

About a month ago in between a special Fenway Park Tour and the evening game vs Detroit I had lunch with Peter Nash at the McGreevy Bar on Boyleston Street. I was with my son and innocent four year old twin granddaughters, and Peter was the perfect host.

The Fenway Park tour was great. One gets to go behind the scoreboard in left field and see the physical signage and the cramped quarters. It is difficult for two people to pass. I believe entrance is only through the playing field door made notorious by Manny Ramirez who occasionally ducked in for a sandwich (or something or nothing) between innings. I'm told there is no air conditioning or running water nor did I see any. Ended with a very good buffet luncheon hosted by Dick Flavin, a former Red Sox announcer and Poet Laureate.

The Detroit game not so good for a life long Detroit fan "whose world still tips a little when the Tigers lose."

I would like to see a count of hands for anyone who believes that the Charlie Sheen Ruth 1927 World Series Ring was "resized for Claire Ruth in homage to her husband."

Keith H Thompson

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Cooptown

I'm also curious to know how many people are behind Halls of Shame? The HOS twitter account was active this morning. Is Peter Nash still posting and "liking" or are there many people with access to their twitter account.

Is there a Cliff's note version to who Peter Nash is?

That's a GREAT question Scott. In 2012 The Hauls of Shame wrote about a Peck and Snyder card That Legendary was going to auction off. They mentioned the consignor by name as a longtime collector and were unsure where the card ended up after the FBI looked at it, at the National.

Then a year or two later the HOS wrote about another Peck and Snyder card and referenced back to the longtime collector as a scumbag along with other choice words. Completely a different writing style and tune. Very obvious the writer was a different writer from the 2012 article and this new writer had a personal agenda they were trying to get out.

I believe there are a couple "prominent board members" who are in cahoots with Peter Nash. They were also most likely ghost writers on Hauls Of Shame. They used it as their soap box for whatever self serving reason they deemed fit. Sometimes a good clue when reading the HOS articles is to look at all the chest pumping adjectives when describing a person. It's very possible that the actual writer of the article was the person who was getting all the props in the article.

What does it take to become a Ghost Writer on the Hauls Of Shame?
1. Befriend and smoooze with Peter Nash to get on his goodside
2. Be a great writer who knows how to manipulate words and have an attitude.
3. Get a clever subscriber handle like "Mastro Monkey" to make posts on articles
4. Have a vandictive personality where you want reconning to occur.

Hauls Of Shame was basically a hobby tabloid that spewed out propaganda against anyone that got in their way or anyone they wanted to go after.

HOS mixed in facts with a ton of biased opinions and reckless reporting which is why they lasted about as long as the singing/dancing group known as Milli Vanilli. For those that are not famerial with the defunct band. Milli Vanilli got caught lip syncing as other people sang the songs and all these guys did was dance around the stage acting like it was them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Agenda or not, I would think anyone in possession of stolen property should return it.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agenda or not, I would think anyone in possession of stolen property should return it.

Clearly not everyone feels that way.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Well it sucks to spend a lot of money on something and find out it's stolen, but the last I checked a thief can't convey good title and that goes down the chain of subsequent sales, so it's unfortunate but so it goes.

[tazdmb]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agenda or not, I would think anyone in possession of stolen property should return it.

Agreed, while I hate the unsubstantiated accusations made by Peter Nash, I would be lying if I did not admit I have learned a great deal from his website in terms of stole autographs/artifacts. Without his help, I think my collection would be littered with stolen goods that would make me feel very uncomfortable.

On I side note, I have gotten to know Bill Hasse, former Senior VP of the Hall of Fame, and flat out asked him why the HOF has not taken more steps to return some of the stolen artifacts. He told me that, unfortunately, much of the stuff that was stolen was never properly archived so that they had 100% proof, which is what the FBI wanted, to get the items returned. While other items, like the Johnson Presidential balls, was a pretty open and shut case.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Agreed, while I hate the unsubstantiated accusations made by Peter Nash, I would be lying if I did not admit I have learned a great deal from his website in terms of stole autographs/artifacts. Without his help, I think my collection would be littered with stolen goods that would make me feel very uncomfortable.

On I side note, I have gotten to know Bill Hasse, former Senior VP of the Hall of Fame, and flat out asked him why the HOF has not taken more steps to return some of the stolen artifacts. He told me that, unfortunately, much of the stuff that was stolen was never properly archived so that they had 100% proof, which is what the FBI wanted, to get the items returned. While other items, like the Johnson Presidential balls, was a pretty open and shut case.

That's pretty much true for a lot of archives and museums. Many aren't well funded or have ups and downs. So a large collection gets "archived" which basically means boxed up hopefully in something more archival than a cardboard box, and labeled with a general idea of what's there. Like "famous person X collection, box 5 miscellaneous correspondence 1920-35" And there is sits awaiting a better cataloging, which may never happen.

I don't know how detailed they are about stuff that gets deaccessioned these days, hopefully they make a detailed record. But years ago if you had something the current director wanted and asked to swap for something from "one of those boxes in the basement" you might just get what you wanted. One of the people running the national stamp collection at one time would have stuff specially printed to trade for items they needed. Not exactly on the up and up, but at the time it was accepted. And there weren't many records kept at all.

It's not a good situation, and makes stuff prone to theft.

Steve B

[Cooptown]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

That's a GREAT question Scott. In 2012 The Hauls of Shame wrote about a Peck and Snyder card That Legendary was going to auction off. They mentioned the consignor by name as a longtime collector and were unsure where the card ended up after the FBI looked at it, at the National.

Then a year or two later the HOS wrote about another Peck and Snyder card and referenced back to the longtime collector as a scumbag along with other choice words. Completely a different writing style and tune. Very obvious the writer was a different writer from the 2012 article and this new writer had a personal agenda they were trying to get out.

I believe there are a couple "prominent board members" who are in cahoots with Peter Nash. They were also most likely ghost writers on Hauls Of Shame. They used it as their soap box for whatever self serving reason they deemed fit. Sometimes a good clue when reading the HOS articles is to look at all the chest pumping adjectives when describing a person. It's very possible that the actual writer of the article was the person who was getting all the props in the article.

What does it take to become a Ghost Writer on the Hauls Of Shame?
1. Befriend and smoooze with Peter Nash to get on his goodside
2. Be a great writer who knows how to manipulate words and have an attitude.
3. Get a clever subscriber handle like "Mastro Monkey" to make posts on articles
4. Have a vandictive personality where you want reconning to occur.

Hauls Of Shame was basically a hobby tabloid that spewed out propaganda against anyone that got in their way or anyone they wanted to go after.

HOS mixed in facts with a ton of biased opinions and reckless reporting which is why they lasted about as long as the singing/dancing group known as Milli Vanilli. For those that are not famerial with the defunct band. Milli Vanilli got caught lip syncing as other people sang the songs and all these guys did was dance around the stage acting like it was them.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I have long read HOS, sort of taking it with a grain of salt knowing it may not be true. But have long been fascinated with Peter Nash, having met his brother. Just too lazy to read through the hundreds and hundreds of pages written on this board about it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I wouldn't necessarily take JC's view as gospel. Just sayin.