T206 Tris Speaker "Missing Red Ink"

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by obcmac

If the back is stained, then the ink was once there. Not a printing anomaly, but an after-print defect that people seem to love. My opinion on it ;-)

I agree with this ^

Glued into an album or scrapbook (that's why the card looks so nice) and the glue makes the red ink fade.

[Pat R]

Personally I think all of the examples that look faded or under inked are
not missing a color pass. I would say around 95% of the ones you see
have back damage and/or staining and the other 5% are the result of
exposure to light or a very successful soak.

Here's a good example. I recently picked up this Dubuc at a regular price.
It has a pretty clean back but as soon as I had it in hand I knew it had been soaked.

It has very light pink on the hat and light pink on the uniform and belt.
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And here you can see it's warped from being soaked.
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[drcy]

Red printing ink tends to fade faster/the most in sunlight compared to other colors.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Personally I think all of the examples that look faded or under inked are
not missing a color pass. I would say around 95% of the ones you see
have back damage and/or staining and the other 5% are the result of
exposure to light or a very successful soak.

Pat, I agree. I have a bunch of cards that are missing the red ink. Most of them have back damage, probably from glue.

I do have this one card, however, that has back damage from glue and is also missing a color pass on the front; and yet I think that it was printed missing the color on the front. Here it is:


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I don't think that this one was caused by glue or sunlight.

[Pat R]

Sean, that's why I used faded or under inked. Some cards leave no doubt that there is color missing.
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I kind of think the Brown Old Mill theory might fit the missing color question. if you have to ask if it's missing color it probably isn't.

[Sean]

I've never seen that Clark before. That's a nice one.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Sean, that's why I used faded or under inked. Some cards leave no doubt that there is color missing.
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I kind of think the Brown Old Mill theory might fit the missing color question. if you have to ask if it's missing color it probably isn't.

And the majority of actual color missing cards are missing at least two colors.

There are exceptions though, as there are some 350's with missing red that appears to be an intentional design change.

Steve B