The problem with the shiny stuff.

[Econteachert205]

The only paninis I want have cheese and meat in them.

[KingFisk]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

The only paninis I want have cheese and meat in them.

Nice. I ended up with four out of 25 signed Rashard Higgins 2016 National Treasures cards (don't ask, I don't even collect football or much modern), and I intend to corner that market. Never mind he is like the fourth WR on the Browns depth chart. After that, I am done with Panini.

[steve B]

Are autopens that good now that they can make slight differences? Or is he just using multiple autopens?

[yankeesjetsfan]

Panini should be held as accountable as Prescott needs to be for trying to rip off both Panini and the collectors. He was paid for his autograph. He needs to make it up to collectors for trying for autopen his sig & shame on Panini for not catching this before the cards went out.

Mike

[packs]

All of the signatures look exactly the same but were signed in different areas of the card. What a disgrace. Isn't this fraud? If he was paid, wouldn't this amount to wire fraud?

[KingFisk]

Originally Posted by packs

All of the signatures look exactly the same but were signed in different areas of the card. What a disgrace. Isn't this fraud? If he was paid, wouldn't this amount to wire fraud?

Agreed on the fraud issue. I am not an attorney but this seems like a really big deal that could rattle the hobby and to some extent the NFL and NFLPA should it get more attention. Not sure if any of our many attorneys frequent this part of the board but would be interested in their take.

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[packs]

If I paid for a Dak auto or I bought a box of Panini because I wanted to pull the Dak auto, and the Dak auto provided by the player is a false signature, haven't I been defrauded?

[WillBBC]

I think the only real issue with modern cards is the redundancy. And the secondary market seems to play that out nicely. Sets that are basically legacy products at this point (Topps, Topps Chrome, Bowman, Bowman Chrome, Heritage, Archives) cost pennies per pack compared to the super redundant high end products (Museum, Tier one, Immaculate, etc.) but the big cards from the far cheaper products outsell them 10:1.

I know Judge isn't the best example, but look at his Heritage, Finest, and Archives autographs and variations compared to Museum, Tier One, and Platinum. It's not even close. Same goes for guys like Benintenti, Bregman, KB, Trout, Harper, you name it.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by packs

All of the signatures look exactly the same but were signed in different areas of the card. What a disgrace. Isn't this fraud? If he was paid, wouldn't this amount to wire fraud?

But they're not exactly the same. Unless autopens have gotten way more advanced that would mean he used at least four of them.

[packs]

Does it? All machinery acquires defects through usage. It could just be imperfections created by prolonged use.