T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[Pat R]

You can find light and dark variations in all the series with piedmonts, maybe not as often or pronounced as the 42's but the biggest variation in color
are found on the Polar Bears.
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[tedzan]

Hey guys,

Thanks for posting your PIEDMONT 42 cards. We have a Baker P42 card with a light blue back and another with a dark blue back. It reminds me of a theory which
I posted years ago regarding PIEDMONT 42 and UZIT cards.

Oh No ! Another "Ted T206 theory". Do they ever end ?

Anyway, PIEDMONT 42 and UZIT backs have very similar blue ink variations. Which leaves me to believe that these two backs were printed simultaneously. We do
have evidence that the UZIT backs were printed and issued in Feb-Mar 1911. This timeline is consistent with ATC's transfer of the Piedmont Cigarette production to
the Liggett & Myers Factory (#42) in Durham, NC.


Here's my two UZIT examples of varying blue ink intensity......

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TED Z
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[tedzan]

Double post.

[sreader3]

Hi Ted,

Sorry I have been AWOL for quite a while.

Interesting theory about P42/Uzit light/dark blue.

Did I miss something w/r/t P42 confirmations?

Are there differences in confirmations between light/dark P42? If so, perhaps a separate checklist is warranted (like Sov 350 Apple/Forest Green).

We could even come up with a name like baby/royal blue (although I hate the term "baby") that emphasizes the difference. That's part of the fun!

Scot

[tedzan]

Hi Scot

This is my current checklist. Do you have any other 460-only series guys to add to this list from your surveys ?

Originally Posted by tedzan

With the recent discovery of Tinker (bat off shoulder) the confirmed total now is 72 subjects with the PIEDMONT 460, factory #42 back.







PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 confirmed list..............72 subjects

350/460 Series............63 subjects (complete)

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)



460-only Series............9 subjects

Chase (Trophy)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
Merkle (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (batting)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


Other Net54 sources claim that the following 4 subjects are confirmed.

Chance (batting)
Bergen (catching)
Murray (portrait)
Overall (blue sky)

My research indicates that these 4 subjects are PIEDMONT 460, factory #42 No-Prints.



TED Z
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[sreader3]

Hi Ted and Sean,

Nothing to add to Ted's P42 list.

I keep thinking I have seen Murray (Portrait) P42 some time in the distant past but you know how the mind can play tricks about such things. I'm probably confusing it with Schlei (Portrait) or Seymour (Portrait).

Scot

[tedzan]

I too, some years back thought I has seen a PIEDMONT 460/42 of Murray (portrait).

Since then, though, I realize I was mistaken.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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Connie Mack was a staunch anti-tobacco guy, who did not want his image portrayed on tobacco cards. **

Here's his E96 card. And, of course he can be found on various E-type cards. One of notoriety is the E104-1 set which features the 1910 World Champions A's.
Connie Mack was quite thrilled about this set of cards, as is noted in his Biography **. The same printing firm also produced the Cullivan's Fireside (T208) set,
which of course is a tobacco issue.

Connie Mack recruited most of his ballplayers from College. He felt they had better training and they could think better than players from the farm system. He
would often personally scout the College guys, or his brother (Tom) would.


** Note....Connie Mack (and the Early Years of Baseball), Norman Macht

Hey guys

I highly recommend this book. While reading it, you'll imagine the guys in your T206 set come alive. Almost every player from that era is covered in this book.


TED Z
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[Sean]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Hi Ted,



We could even come up with a name like baby/royal blue (although I hate the term "baby")

Scot

Hey Scot, that's exactly what my girlfriend calls my Plank: the Baby Blue Plank. And I hate that term as well.