The T206 Ames riddle....offering a $500 bounty (each) for his AB 460 or UZIT cards

[tedzan]

UZIT cards checklist......2 new finds have been added.....McGraw (glove at hip) and Frill.



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The T206's with the UZIT back were issued in the Spring of 1911. The UZIT and the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 backs
were printed together at the tail-end of the T206 press runs (circa..early 1911).

57 subjects with the UZIT back have been confirmed to date.

350/460 series...............................28 subjects

Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball-St Louis)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)

I am 100% confident that the above list of 28 of the 350/460 subjects is complete (as it coincides with the confirmed
list of AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 subjects for the 350/460 series).


460-only series..............................29 subjects

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Howie Camnitz (arms up)
Harry Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Frill
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard
Tinker (bat on)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


The 460-only series list is still a work in progress....more UZIT cards from this series are expected to be discovered.


TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

I agree with Ted on many levels of this topic including the 28 known 350/460 being complete since it also matches my Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Prints" list. I guess a scrap could show up and Ted would have to pay up but I don't believe Ames with either back was ever distributed in packs. It's interesting how PSA lists both in their population reports even though both have a pop of zero.

[HobokenJon]

Here's a modest proposal: Someone from T206 Resource should man up and explain the factual basis of its "confirmations" when asked, especially when there's no observable evidence that the cards exist. This is not a new issue. See the previous posts about the Loch Ness Monster subset of forest green Sovereign 350s.

http://www.thatt206life.com/2017/03/...gn-350-a-hoax/

Keep fighting the good fight, Ted.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Here's a modest proposal: Someone from T206 Resource should man up and explain the factual basis of its "confirmations" when asked, especially when there's no observable evidence that the cards exist. This is not a new issue. See the previous posts about the Loch Ness Monster subset of forest green Sovereign 350s.

http://www.thatt206life.com/2017/03/...gn-350-a-hoax/

Keep fighting the good fight, Ted.

I had an idea and checked it out.

The superset spreadsheet shows the Davis as confirmed, reported by Dave Seaborn.


Steve B

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by steve B

I had an idea and checked it out.

The superset spreadsheet shows the Davis as confirmed, reported by Dave Seaborn.


Steve B

Steve

Back in 2006, the super-set spreadsheet also had Ames (hands above head) confirmed with American Beauty 460. I contacted the guy who posted it,
and he has recently stated that this f/b combo was a mistake by him.

Therefore, not all (but most data on the super-set spread sheet) are correct.



TED Z
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[steve B]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Steve

Back in 2006, the super-set spreadsheet also had Ames (hands above head) confirmed with American Beauty 460. I contacted the guy who posted it,
and he has recently stated that this f/b combo was a mistake by him.

Therefore, not all (but most data on the super-set spread sheet) are correct.



TED Z
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I'd expect a few errors with something like that. I was just hoping to move things along, had a quick idea looked it up and passed on the info as-is. I suspect that listing is also in error, but it might be worth checking into if it's possible.
The super-set spreadsheet may also be the source of the info on T206 resource.

I can't think of many lists or references that aren't built on others. And as usual, errors made on one end up being passed forward when it's used as a source. My other hobby has a handful of items in my small niche that were described in the 1930's, catalog listed, but which aren't known at all today and are still listed in the catalog. One of that hobbys classic references is from 1902 and was put together with access to official records and still lists items that by the official records can't exist (And actually don't)

Steve B

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I agree with Ted on many levels of this topic including the 28 known 350/460 being complete since it also matches my Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Prints" list. I guess a scrap could show up and Ted would have to pay up but I don't believe Ames with either back was ever distributed in packs. It's interesting how PSA lists both in their population reports even though both have a pop of zero.

Hi Ron

Very well stated.

Also, should a "scrap" AB 460 or UZIT card of this Ames show up, then my reward does not apply.

However, I seriously doubt this would ever occur, since the timeline of the printing of the Group A cards does not coincide with the timeline of the printing of the Group B cards.


TED Z
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