Regarding T206 brown LENOX cards......check-out this theory

[David R]

Originally Posted by Sean

I agree with this, but I want to add something. The Brown Lenox is very different from the Brown Old Mill. The OMs are a light brown color. Since Southern Leaguers were all printed with either Piedmont, Hindu, or Old Mill backs, it is easy to imagine a printer forgetting to switch the ink after printing sheets of Hindus. He uses the same light brown ink for the OMs, but quickly realizes his mistake. The sheet of Brown OMs is scrapped, but some printer takes them home , cuts them by hand, and gives them to his kids. Thus all Brown OMs are hand cut and light in color.

The Brown Lenox are different. They are a much darker brown. Remember that Brown Lenox that I brought to the National two years ago? When I showed it to people, many of them thought that it was black until I told them to look closer. What I think happened was a printer somehow used the same brown ink that was used for the player and team caption at the bottom of the cards. It probably only happened on one sheet, based on the small number that have turned up.

I don't think that the error was caught, since the Brown Lenox are factory cut. Or perhaps the mistake was noticed, but they distributed the cards anyway, figuring that no one would notice. In any case, they seem to have been given out in packs like the regular Black Lenox. But I definitely agree that they were produced in error.

I was thinking the same thing - that maybe it was just one sheet of brown Lenox t206s that were a printing error. Do we know of the confirmed cards, whether there are two or more confirmed copies of any card?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by David R

I was thinking the same thing - that maybe it was just one sheet of brown Lenox t206s that were a printing error. Do we know of the confirmed cards, whether there are two or more confirmed copies of any card?

David

As far as I understand, there is only one example of each brown LENOX card.


TED Z
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[Gradedcardman]

Their are (2) confirmed copies of at least 1 card. Schlei Portrait.

[Sean]

Chris Browne told me that there was a second copy of a card being offered for sale at the 2015 National. I don't recall the player. It might have been Schlei. Maybe Chris will join in...

[Pat R]

There are a few of the same player/pose with more than one example.
I don't think there is a way to tell with the SGC pop reports but there
are two of Jordan batting and Frank Smith (Chic & Bos) in the PSA
pop reports.

and here are two different Chase Trophy's
Chase (trophy) Brown Lenox.jpg
Chase (trophy) Brown Lenox 2.jpg

[RedsFan1941]

there are at least 2 brown lajoies with bat

[steve B]

I don't think they can be set down as a printing error.

The time to change the stone on a flatbed press is fairly long, and typically the press would be cleaned after each job. Leftover ink removed, inking rollers and offset blanket cleaned. That way the next job can be setup.

The ink left on the inking rollers would most likely have partly dried and been flaking off for the first few sheets, leaving debris to mess up many of the following sheets.
Bad practice overall.

Now the idea of leftover ink being used to finish a small press run, that might be done.

Steve B

[philliesphan]

I thought there were also two McQuillan Brown Lenox cards known.

Goodwin auctioned one in 2012 (PSA 1) and another in 2013 (SGC A)

[Jobu]

My man! I like how you think

Among us can we find two people who will bring a Cairo Monopol and a Brown Lenox to the National? Perhaps we can even find a scanner and scan them side by side.

Originally Posted by steve B

I don't think they can be set down as a printing error.

The time to change the stone on a flatbed press is fairly long, and typically the press would be cleaned after each job. Leftover ink removed, inking rollers and offset blanket cleaned. That way the next job can be setup.

The ink left on the inking rollers would most likely have partly dried and been flaking off for the first few sheets, leaving debris to mess up many of the following sheets.
Bad practice overall.

Now the idea of leftover ink being used to finish a small press run, that might be done.

Steve B

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Jobu

My man! I like how you think

Among us can we find two people who will bring a Cairo Monopol and a Brown Lenox to the National? Perhaps we can even find a scanner and scan them side by side at the same time.

Bryan, Jim R has owned both at the same time.

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http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=216722

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by Sean

Chris Browne told me that there was a second copy of a card being offered for sale at the 2015 National. I don't recall the player. It might have been Schlei. Maybe Chris will join in...

Sean, Good memory, that was the Chase Trophy.

[mrvster]

thinking that we need to compare that cairo with brown lenox side by side, hard to do with scans, but in person would work.......both are great theories....

I think the cairo has something to do with it.....since there exists scraps with over and ghosted cards with concurrent printing of other issues/ads simultaneously.....example- t-80 or the men of history, bitters lash, ect

[tedzan]

A week ago (or so) ago, Dan had two T80 Cairo Monopol cards listed on ebay.

Both listings displayed back scans. And, both back scans' printing was clearly BROWN.

So, as I have already stated, the normal color is brown on these T80 cards. There are
varying degrees of shading in the brown ink on the backs of these cards.


So, if a "black" lettering Cairo Monopol T80 exists, it is definitely a printing anomaly.


TED Z
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[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

Their are (2) confirmed copies of at least 1 card. Schlei Portrait.

There are more than 1 card with more than 1 example.