Kreindler Art in the Hobby

Klrdds · #1 05-21-2017, 12:07 PM

As a part-time art collector with a Picasso and a Chagall and Dalis and a Leroy Neiman among others in my collection I have found that art and its high prices need several things to occur to bring high prices .
It needs international appeal , great promotion by art galleries and dealers, and have subjects or themes that people can relate to and primarily 2or 3 people who are willing to go to extreme lengths in bidding to own a particular piece .
Also the number of works available on the market as well as the total number of works produced by the artist dramatically affect prices.
Kreindler's art is beautiful and has fabulous presentation value but its singular theme has a very limited audience ...American sports and sports personalities, primarily baseball, in general . The majority of the world , especially those international buyers with deep pockets , can't relate to his work .
Leroy Neiman is the greatest exception to this rule in terms of his sports themed works but he was also able to crossover into other subject matter.
For example his Polo Lounge , Baden-Baden , and his famous Elephants . Also he later incorporated international sports such as golf and auto racing. But even his prices pale in relation to some of the prices achieved by other artists. Also there is a wide price difference between his sports and non-sports themed works , and between his American sports themed and international sports themed works.
Kreindler is exceptionally talented and I hope to add an original of his to my sports collection someday but I will not expect to become wealthy from it .

vthobby · #2 05-21-2017, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Klrdds

Kreindler's art is beautiful and has fabulous presentation value but its singular theme has a very limited audience ...American sports and sports personalities, primarily baseball, in general . The majority of the world , especially those international buyers with deep pockets , can't relate to his work .

I can tell you that in the 1980s, the entire world was saying the same thing about: Jean-Michel Basquiat. The proof's there in the fact that his paintings were selling for $100 to $200 and probably less when he first started. He was a graffiti artist to start with! He now holds the American Record for a painting! Go figure!

My point is this, if we all knew what was going to be hot then we'd all be rich.

I do not entirely agree on the "limited audience" point you made as the Asian market is rich in baseball knowledge and history and guess where the $110 million Basquiat went? Bingo!

Craig Kreindler's work is breathtaking and awe-inspiring and will certainly have a place in the finest of collections someday. I myself, can't afford one right now but still have his work on my list of things to acquire someday. Talent like his does not stay hidden forever!

Peace, Mike

JoeyFarino · #3 05-21-2017, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Klrdds

As a part-time art collector with a Picasso and a Chagall and Dalis and a Leroy Neiman among others in my collection I have found that art and its high prices need several things to occur to bring high prices .
It needs international appeal , great promotion by art galleries and dealers, and have subjects or themes that people can relate to and primarily 2or 3 people who are willing to go to extreme lengths in bidding to own a particular piece .
Also the number of works available on the market as well as the total number of works produced by the artist dramatically affect prices.
Kreindler's art is beautiful and has fabulous presentation value but its singular theme has a very limited audience ...American sports and sports personalities, primarily baseball, in general . The majority of the world , especially those international buyers with deep pockets , can't relate to his work .
Leroy Neiman is the greatest exception to this rule in terms of his sports themed works but he was also able to crossover into other subject matter.
For example his Polo Lounge , Baden-Baden , and his famous Elephants . Also he later incorporated international sports such as golf and auto racing. But even his prices pale in relation to some of the prices achieved by other artists. Also there is a wide price difference between his sports and non-sports themed works , and between his American sports themed and international sports themed works.
Kreindler is exceptionally talented and I hope to add an original of his to my sports collection someday but I will not expect to become wealthy from it .

Id love to see your chagall painting

Klrdds · #4 05-21-2017, 03:09 PM

Joey
I started buying art when I finished dental school in the 1980s for the hell of it . Then in the late 1980s i began collecting a French artist named Michel Delacroix. Then in the early 2000s I also began collecting his daughter's work Fabienne Delacroix. I now have 10 original works of theirs with very limited publishing rights for them . I haven't bought anything since 2008.
I will try to post a picture later of the Chagall crayon lithograph from his biblical series titled King David since i am not at home now.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 05-21-2017, 04:06 PM

Here is my Chagall. (1952 Felix Potin)

irv · #6 05-21-2017, 08:30 PM

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Graig...w=1280&bih=591

MVSNYC · #7 05-21-2017, 10:14 PM

Graig's work is amazing, certainly bound to appreciate; I own a Ruth study he did.

Regarding the secret "formula" that extremely valuable paintings possess...add to that, the artist's style needs to be rather revolutionary, ground-breaking, like Picasso, Pollack, Mondrian, and, believe it or not, Basquiat. His art was actually quite complex and layered with poetry, and many multi-media techniques...primitive, naive, etc. They're actually really compelling in person.

frankbmd · #8 05-21-2017, 10:37 PM

A close friend's father purchased a bunch of early works by Fangor in the late 50s and early 60s, who only recently has hit the big time in the art world. His sister has four Fangors in her dining room. The dining room is now worth over a million dollars.

He likes to paint fuzzy circles such as this.

fangor wojciech przestrzen jako gra 8_6572139.jpg

And other fuzzy stuff

fangor wojciech przestrzen jako gra 7_6572135.jpg

Could have been done with spray paint I suppose.

Why didn't i think of that?

drcy · #9 05-22-2017, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Graig's work is amazing, certainly bound to appreciate; I own a Ruth study he did.

Regarding the secret "formula" that extremely valuable paintings possess...add to that, the artist's style needs to be rather revolutionary, ground-breaking, like Picasso, Pollack, Mondrian, and, believe it or not, Basquiat. His art was actually quite complex and layered with poetry, and many multi-media techniques...primitive, naive, etc. They're actually really compelling in person.

True. Artists such as Constable and Renoir may seem quaint and maudlin today, but they were revolutionary visionaries for their time and influenced art since then, including abstract art.

John Constable's The Hay Wain (1921)
Renoir's Le Moulin de la Galette

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