Desert Shield Help Please

[savedfrommyspokes]

The area where the palm leaves meet the tree has always been a good indicator for me as to the legitimacy of a DS card....this one matches up to any of the legit copies I have ever handled. The counterfeits I have seen, the areas inside the red circles I added to your image are filled in. In the image you provided, these areas are clearly NOT filled in.

[Zach Wheat]

WhiteSoxFan,

I think your card is good from the images posted. The biggest discrepancies between some of the really good fakes and legit cards - all have to do with the lettering in the embossed area. This is the only detail that is consistently incorrect in the really well done fake DS logos. I guess using the correct font and spacing is hard to duplicate (Legit logo has palm leaf pointing between the "R & A" unlike the fake logo in the illustration below where it points between the "E" & "R"). The letters on your card align up with the spacing on other legit cards.

As first noted by 4Reals and later detailed in the other N54 posts, your card should be a glow back - or printed in the period after they added brighteners to the red ink on the reverse of the card. As discussed in the thread, a high percentage of DS cards (not all, but 99% +/- range) should be glow backs. A legit 1991 Topps DS Chipper card should be printed on sheet "F*" (or the updated "Board F" as noted by the F* on the reverse near the copyright logo) which is consistent with your card.

For reference, following is a pic of a fake DS shield I've uploaded to demonstrate the font & spacing issues.....most notable is the letters "E" & "N" in the word Operation are shifted a half space to the right relative to a legit card. Your card looks good...

Nice card.

Z

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

WhiteSoxFan,

I think your card is good from the images posted. The biggest discrepancies between some of the really good fakes and legit cards - all have to do with the lettering in the embossed area. This is the only detail that is consistently incorrect in the really well done fake DS logos. I guess using the correct font and spacing is hard to duplicate. The letters on your card align up with the spacing on other legit cards.

As first noted by 4Reals and later detailed in the other N54 posts, your card should be a glow back - or printed in the period after they added brighteners to the red ink on the reverse of the card. As discussed in the thread, a high percentage of DS cards (not all, but 99% +/- range) should be glow backs. A legit 1991 Topps DS Chipper card should be printed on sheet "F*" (or the updated "Board F" as noted by the F* on the reverse near the copyright logo) which is consistent with your card.

For reference, following is a pic of a fake DS shield I've uploaded to demonstrate the font & spacing issues.....most notable is the letters "E" & "N" in the word Operation are shifted a half space to the right relative to a legit card. Your card looks good...

Nice card.

Z

Mr Wheat if you ever want to get rid of that counterfeit card I would be interested.

[Zach Wheat]

Aaaah you recognized it was a card of Boggs.....your favorite player. It's yours the next time I get it out of storage....


Z

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Aaaah you recognized it was a card of Boggs.....your favorite player. It's yours the next time I get it out of storage....


Z

Yep you can't hide a Boggs card from me my friend.

[whitesoxfan3579]

You really know your stuff, I appreciate it. I feel really good that the card is legit. The Boggs DS logo you uploaded is a great example and I will be certain to refer back to this thread, should I make future DS card purchases (at this time I only have Frank Thomas and Chipper Jones). I was supposed to receive the long wave black light that I previously ordered yesterday, but that is certainly not as important now.

Thank you for your help.

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

WhiteSoxFan,

I think your card is good from the images posted. The biggest discrepancies between some of the really good fakes and legit cards - all have to do with the lettering in the embossed area. This is the only detail that is consistently incorrect in the really well done fake DS logos. I guess using the correct font and spacing is hard to duplicate (Legit logo has palm leaf pointing between the "R & A" unlike the fake logo in the illustration below where it points between the "E" & "R"). The letters on your card align up with the spacing on other legit cards.

As first noted by 4Reals and later detailed in the other N54 posts, your card should be a glow back - or printed in the period after they added brighteners to the red ink on the reverse of the card. As discussed in the thread, a high percentage of DS cards (not all, but 99% +/- range) should be glow backs. A legit 1991 Topps DS Chipper card should be printed on sheet "F*" (or the updated "Board F" as noted by the F* on the reverse near the copyright logo) which is consistent with your card.

For reference, following is a pic of a fake DS shield I've uploaded to demonstrate the font & spacing issues.....most notable is the letters "E" & "N" in the word Operation are shifted a half space to the right relative to a legit card. Your card looks good...

Nice card.

Z

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

WhiteSoxFan,

I think your card is good from the images posted. The biggest discrepancies between some of the really good fakes and legit cards - all have to do with the lettering in the embossed area. This is the only detail that is consistently incorrect in the really well done fake DS logos. I guess using the correct font and spacing is hard to duplicate (Legit logo has palm leaf pointing between the "R & A" unlike the fake logo in the illustration below where it points between the "E" & "R"). The letters on your card align up with the spacing on other legit cards.

As first noted by 4Reals and later detailed in the other N54 posts, your card should be a glow back - or printed in the period after they added brighteners to the red ink on the reverse of the card. As discussed in the thread, a high percentage of DS cards (not all, but 99% +/- range) should be glow backs. A legit 1991 Topps DS Chipper card should be printed on sheet "F*" (or the updated "Board F" as noted by the F* on the reverse near the copyright logo) which is consistent with your card.

For reference, following is a pic of a fake DS shield I've uploaded to demonstrate the font & spacing issues.....most notable is the letters "E" & "N" in the word Operation are shifted a half space to the right relative to a legit card. Your card looks good...

Nice card.

Z

first off, your knowledge of DS is very impressive. have been reading up on it the last few days. picked up a couple of DS cards this week myself. i had read in a few places where people say stud finders work on these packs - i tried that with the actual cards and didn't have success. the best method you think would be UV light to determine florescence? appreciate the insight.

[ALR-bishop]

I think Zach uses a nail gun rather than a stud finder.

Agree he is a great resource on DS

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I think Zach uses a nail gun rather than a stud finder.

Agree he is a great resource on DS

i bought one of these DS packs recently, just got it today. i'm not an expert by any stretch on packaging, but i didn't notice anything overly suspicious about the seal. opened up the pack, they all looked to be legit desert shield cards. but i did get 15 total common cards, which raised my eyebrow a bit. suppose it's not impossible to get 15 low end cards in any single pack, but i'm admittedly curious/slightly dubious.

[swarmee]

Remember back then there were 800 cards in the base set. So not getting a star in 15 cards is actually pretty normal.

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Remember back then there were 800 cards in the base set. So not getting a star in 15 cards is actually pretty normal.

fair point. that's the one thing i thought about as well. it's not abnormal - per se - just curious.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by hockeyhockey

i bought one of these DS packs recently, just got it today. i'm not an expert by any stretch on packaging, but i didn't notice anything overly suspicious about the seal. opened up the pack, they all looked to be legit desert shield cards. but i did get 15 total common cards, which raised my eyebrow a bit. suppose it's not impossible to get 15 low end cards in any single pack, but i'm admittedly curious/slightly dubious.

Post some pics of the DS foil logo. It is rare but people did make fake DS packs. I know a guy a couple years ago that opened several packs and they were all fakes. Not saying yours are just saying it has happened.

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Post some pics of the DS foil logo. It is rare but people did make fake DS packs. I know a guy a couple years ago that opened several packs and they were all fakes. Not saying yours are just saying it has happened.

when i get a chance later this week i will post (if i can figure it out )

[whitesoxfan3579]

This is good to know. I appreciate the level of detail you provided. Thank you.

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

The area where the palm leaves meet the tree has always been a good indicator for me as to the legitimacy of a DS card....this one matches up to any of the legit copies I have ever handled. The counterfeits I have seen, the areas inside the red circles I added to your image are filled in. In the image you provided, these areas are clearly NOT filled in.