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[vintagerookies51]

I feel like the 1951 Mantle will continue to rise, and T206 HOFs will hold their value if it not go up slightly IMO. Not a back guy so I'm not sure what the market is like for those... I was recently thinking about mays rookies and was going to propose this question in its own thread but why not here? For as long as I can remember the '52 Topps Mantle has been worth about 5x the '51 bowman for the same grade, at least in the lower grades I collect. Why doesn't this transfer to Mays? In fact the '51 mays sells for slightly MORE than the '52 Topps. The fact that mays sells for less than Mantle is a different debate, but this is weird to me. I guess it's just that the '52 Mantle is one of the most iconic cards in the hobby. But that is why I think mantle's 51 bowman is underrated and prices will continue to rise in the future

Edited to add/summarize: I think ANY Mantle cards will do pretty well in the future, and T206 HOFs next in line. 2 of the biggest markets in the hobby

[Sean]

I hope that you're holding on to those Cobbs. You could depress the market all by yourself if you chose to sell.

[irv]

Originally Posted by vintagerookies51

I feel like the 1951 Mantle will continue to rise, and T206 HOFs will hold their value if it not go up slightly IMO. Not a back guy so I'm not sure what the market is like for those... I was recently thinking about mays rookies and was going to propose this question in its own thread but why not here? For as long as I can remember the '52 Topps Mantle has been worth about 5x the '51 bowman for the same grade, at least in the lower grades I collect. Why doesn't this transfer to Mays? In fact the '51 mays sells for slightly MORE than the '52 Topps. The fact that mays sells for less than Mantle is a different debate, but this is weird to me. I guess it's just that the '52 Mantle is one of the most iconic cards in the hobby. But that is why I think mantle's 51 bowman is underrated and prices will continue to rise in the future

Edited to add/summarize: I think ANY Mantle cards will do pretty well in the future, and T206 HOFs next in line. 2 of the biggest markets in the hobby

If I am understanding this correct, you have to keep in mind the 52 Mantle is a higher series card where the Mays isn't.

[Brian Van Horn]

Tongue-in-cheek. I believe the word left out of the title is horde. Very impressive.

[ullmandds]

i guess I've never looked at bb cards as if they were stocks! maybe the SMR should adopt such "stock" terminology in their super accurate publication..."SMR recommends accumulating WWG Ruth cards at this time!"

I don't think you can go wrong with cobbs...ruths...and mantle/mays rookies for the short term.

as has been stated/joked...while I'm sure over the long haul your accumulation of cobbs will turn out very well for your portfolio's balance...you can destroy the short term market in one fell swoop!

[Bigshot69]

My theory is if the tax rate on business/self-employment income were to decrease significantly you might see increased speculation across certain collectibles markets.

I think coins could benefit, but I know very little about grading and all the other nuances.

Comics have already seen significant growth mainly due to increased awareness from Disney marketing and movies.

I have a feeling cards could do very well in the intermediate term so probably not a bad time to be sitting on a hoard of Cobbs.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Bigshot69

My theory is if the tax rate on business/self-employment income were to decrease significantly you might see increased speculation across certain collectibles markets.

I think coins could benefit, but I know very little about grading and all the other nuances.

Comics have already seen significant growth mainly due to increased awareness from Disney marketing and movies.

I have a feeling cards could do very well in the intermediate term so probably not a bad time to be sitting on a hoard of Cobbs.

My thoughts exactly.

There will always be historians and baseball fans.

Too bad what you have pictured isn't worth much...

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Bigshot69

My theory is if the tax rate on business/self-employment income were to decrease significantly you might see increased speculation across certain collectibles markets.

Incorporating as an s-corp will greatly reduce this tax rate.

[Bigshot69]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Incorporating as an s-corp will greatly reduce this tax rate.

Based on what I've read this would seem to be where the legislation in Washington is headed. That said, after reading several articles I'm unsure how sole props, LLCs (Sole Member), and 1065 partnerships would be impacted? Perhaps maybe there is a CPA on here who would kindly provide their $.02?

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by irv

If I am understanding this correct, you have to keep in mind the 52 Mantle is a higher series card where the Mays isn't.

But the Mantle is a triple print, and the stream of those making auction appearances (especially with new PSA holders) seems endless. In the '90's, someone estimated the existing number of examples at 15,000. I would say that number is significantly conservative.

And not to puncture your balloon, but the Jackie Robinson is not his rookie, with several 1947 issues predating it (the 1947 Bond Bread Exhibit seems especially elusive and difficult to acquire).

I believe they will all appreciate in value, with the only question being how much in comparison to other cards the same money could have gone into.

Good luck with them,

Larry

[T206Collector]

That's why I invested in a great scanner. I can take my cards anywhere and in some ways enjoy them more and on my IPad and IPhone!

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

That's why I invested in a great scanner. I can take my cards anywhere and in some ways enjoy them more and on my IPad and IPhone!

dup

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

That's why I invested in a great scanner. I can take my cards anywhere and in some ways enjoy them more and on my IPad and IPhone!

Yes you I get. Your stuff is just downright nasty and not replaceable. If I had your stuff I might have to build the bank vault in my house.

I still want that signed CJ Marquard!

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Yes you I get. Your stuff is just downright nasty and not replaceable. If I had your stuff I might have to build the bank vault in my house.

I still want that signed CJ Marquard!

That's very nice to read -- if I ever sell the signed CJ Marquard, you will be the first call! (changed my image above so you can enjoy it the same way I do -- DIGITALLY!)

[MR RAREBACK]

nice to see more pics in the thread

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

But the Mantle is a triple print, and the stream of those making auction appearances (especially with new PSA holders) seems endless. In the '90's, someone estimated the existing number of examples at 15,000. I would say that number is significantly conservative.

And not to puncture your balloon, but the Jackie Robinson is not his rookie, with several 1947 issues predating it (the 1947 Bond Bread Exhibit seems especially elusive and difficult to acquire).

I believe they will all appreciate in value, with the only question being how much in comparison to other cards the same money could have gone into.

Good luck with them,

Larry

While not his true rookie, the first mainstream card of a player is usually the most sought after. I collect the Bond Breads (13 card set), but if I were to invest in a Jackie there is no doubt I would pick the 1949 leaf

[BearBailey]

I would say accumulator, but would sell 52 topps mantle's.

[ValKehl]

Scott, you make a good point, however I sense the OP is investing, rather than collecting. And, it appears to me that the OP's T206 portfolio could really use additional Red Hindu, Drum, and Uzit investments.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by vintagerookies51

While not his true rookie, the first mainstream card of a player is usually the most sought after. I collect the Bond Breads (13 card set), but if I were to invest in a Jackie there is no doubt I would pick the 1949 leaf

Oh really? I suppose we can then ignore such examples as the 1914 Baltimore News Ruth, with the one in the worst condition selling for $150,00, then $450,000 3 years later, and now bearing a price tag of $700,000. Or Orly's 1907 Seamless Steel Cobb rookie, graded merely Good "2," going for $24,000?
Better also check out some of the sales for the early '60's Topps Dice Game HOF'ers, the 1959 Yoo Hoo Mantle (which has certainly appreciated at a higher rate than his '51 Bowman rookie), and the rising prices for even low grade 1939 R303A Ted Williams, compared to the '39 Playball issue. Maybe a T210 Joe Jackson (not mainstream, not even his rookie, at $200,000 plus in modest grade)? Not so long ago, the '25 Exhibit Gehrig was not considered mainstream, either ("it's an Exhibit--they're not real baseball cards--are they?"), but $100,000 for an Ex-Mt (MK) isn't so shabby!

This is the Beckett line of thinking dating back to the early '80's, when the '33 Goudey was labeled Babe Ruth's "rookie." This phenomenon lasts only as long as it takes collectors to gain greater education in the field. In coins, it was the reason why it took longer for rare and significant colonial issues and territorial gold to vastly increase in value. As collectors gain experience and knowledge of their hobby, they tend to expand rather than narrow their horizons.

Best of luck in your collecting,

Larry

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

Oh really? I suppose we can then ignore such examples as the 1914 Baltimore News Ruth, with the one in the worst condition selling for $150,00, then $450,000 3 years later, and now bearing a price tag of $700,000. Or Orly's 1907 Seamless Steel Cobb rookie, graded merely Good "2," going for $24,000?
Better also check out some of the sales for the early '60's Topps Dice Game HOF'ers, the 1959 Yoo Hoo Mantle (which has certainly appreciated at a higher rate than his '51 Bowman rookie), and the rising prices for even low grade 1939 R303A Ted Williams, compared to the '39 Playball issue. Maybe a T210 Joe Jackson (not mainstream, not even his rookie, at $200,000 plus in modest grade)? Not so long ago, the '25 Exhibit Gehrig was not considered mainstream, either ("it's an Exhibit--they're not real baseball cards--are they?"), but $100,000 for an Ex-Mt (MK) isn't so shabby!

This is the Beckett line of thinking dating back to the early '80's, when the '33 Goudey was labeled Babe Ruth's "rookie." This phenomenon lasts only as long as it takes collectors to gain greater education in the field. In coins, it was the reason why it took longer for rare and significant colonial issues and territorial gold to vastly increase in value. As collectors gain experience and knowledge of their hobby, they tend to expand rather than narrow their horizons.

Best of luck in your collecting,

Larry

Interesting data, but I said most sought after. Most of the cards you listed are way out of reach for 99%+ of collectors/investors, which isn't really what I was referring to. And they are iconic, ultra-rare cards. I was thinking more along the lines of comparing affordable cards for your average joe, like the Bond bread exhibit vs. Leaf Jackie Robinson, Berk Ross Whitey Ford vs. '51 Bowman, etc. More people collect the mainstream sets

[MR RAREBACK]

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