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Old 04-28-2017, 01:51 PM
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And this is from the law:
(b) Whenever a dealer, in selling or offering to sell to a consumer a collectible in or from this state, provides a description of that collectible as being autographed, the dealer shall furnish a certificate of authenticity to the consumer at the time of sale. The certificate of authenticity shall be in writing, shall be signed by the dealer or his or her authorized agent, and shall specify the date of sale. The certificate of authenticity shall be in at least 10-point boldface type and shall contain the dealer’s true legal name and street address. The dealer shall retain a copy of the certificate of authenticity for not less than seven years. Each certificate of authenticity shall do all of the following:
(1) Describe the collectible and specify the name of the personality who autographed it.
(2) Either specify the purchase price and date of sale or be accompanied by a separate invoice setting forth that information.
(3) Contain an express warranty, which shall be conclusively presumed to be part of the bargain, of the authenticity of the collectible. This warranty shall not be negated or limited by reason of the lack of words such as “warranty” or “guarantee” or because the dealer does not have a specific intent or authorization to make the warranty or because any statement relevant to the collectible is or purports to be, or is capable of being, merely the dealer’s opinion.
(4) Specify whether the collectible is offered as one of a limited edition and, if so, specify (A) how the collectible and edition are numbered and (B) the size of the edition and the size of any prior or anticipated future edition, if known. If the size of the edition and the size of any prior or anticipated future edition is not known, the certificate shall contain an explicit statement to that effect.
(5) Indicate whether the dealer is surety bonded or is otherwise insured to protect the consumer against errors and omissions of the dealer and, if bonded or insured, provide proof thereof.
(6) Indicate the last four digits of the dealer’s resale certificate number from the State Board of Equalization.
(7) Indicate whether the item was autographed in the presence of the dealer and specify the date and location of, and the name of a witness to, the autograph signing.
(8) Indicate whether the item was obtained or purchased from a third party. If so, indicate the name and address of this third party.
(9) Include an identifying serial number that corresponds to an identifying number printed on the collectible item, if any. The serial number shall also be printed on the sales receipt. If the sales receipt is printed electronically, the dealer may manually write the serial number on the receipt.
(c) A dealer shall not represent an item as a collectible if it was not autographed by the personality in his or her own hand.
(d) No dealer shall display or offer for sale a collectible in this state unless, at the location where the collectible is offered for sale and in close proximity to the collectible merchandise, there is a conspicuous sign that reads as follows:
“SALE OF AUTOGRAPHED MEMORABILIA: AS REQUIRED BY LAW, A DEALER WHO SELLS TO A CONSUMER ANY MEMORABILIA DESCRIBED AS BEING AUTOGRAPHED MUST PROVIDE A WRITTEN CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY AT THE TIME OF SALE. THIS DEALER MAY BE SURETY BONDED OR OTHERWISE INSURED TO ENSURE THE AUTHENTICITY OF ANY COLLECTIBLE SOLD BY THIS DEALER.”

(e) Any dealer engaged in a mail-order, telephone-order, or online business for the sale of collectibles in or from this state:
(1) Shall include the disclosure specified in subdivision (d), in type of conspicuous size, in any written advertisement relating to a collectible.
(2) Shall include in each television or online advertisement relating to a collectible the following written on-screen message, which shall be prominently displayed, easily readable, and clearly visible for no less than five seconds, and which shall be repeated for five seconds once during each four-minute segment of the advertisement following the initial four minutes:
“A written certificate of authenticity is provided with each autographed collectible, as required by law. This dealer may be surety bonded or otherwise insured to ensure the authenticity of any collectible sold by this dealer.
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How the hell does anyone supply the name of the witness to the autograph signing of Teddy Roosevelt, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb,, etc.
This law is screwed up badly and I am discussing any possible ramifications with my attorney.
IMHO this law cannot stand up in court. Hopefully nor can PSA's attempt to corner the market which seems to me to be blatantly anti trust.
But I would want to hear the lawyers here opine on this topic.

"I wonder what the definition of a "dealer" is?"
Someone who makes a living selling autographs?
Someone who sells a few autographs from his collection?
Who the hell knows.
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Old 04-28-2017, 02:43 PM
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The definition of "dealer" according to California assembly Bill 1570, Means essentially EVERYONE ..So the best thing to do when you see any collectible is don't touch it and walk slowly away with your hands in the air.

(4) (A) “Dealer” means a person who is principally in the business of selling or offering for sale collectibles in or from this state, exclusively or nonexclusively, or a person who by his or her occupation holds himself or herself out as having knowledge or skill peculiar to collectibles, or to whom that knowledge or skill may be attributed by his or her employment of an agent or other intermediary that by his or her occupation holds himself or herself out as having that knowledge or skill. “Dealer” includes an auctioneer who sells collectibles at a public auction, and also includes persons who are consignors or representatives or agents of auctioneers. “Dealer” includes a person engaged in a mail order, telephone order, online, or cable television business for the sale of collectibles.
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(7) Indicate whether the item was autographed in the presence of the dealer and specify the date and location of, and the name of a witness to, the autograph signing.
(8) Indicate whether the item was obtained or purchased from a third party. If so, indicate the name and address of this third party.


How the hell does anyone supply the name of the witness to the autograph signing of Teddy Roosevelt, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb,, etc.
This law is screwed up badly and I am discussing any possible ramifications with my attorney.
The attorney would know for sure, but as I read it the date, time and name of a witness is only for stuff the dealer saw signed. Everything else would just be something purchased from a third party. Still a pain in the backside, as that now requires a bunch of record keeping.

The law as I see it also forbids signed cards in packs since they obviously can't contain all the required info like date of sale and price.

To me this next bit seems worse.

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(c) A dealer shall not represent an item as a collectible if it was not autographed by the personality in his or her own hand.
(d) No dealer shall display or offer for sale a collectible in this state unless, at the location where the collectible is offered for sale and in close proximity to the collectible merchandise, there is a conspicuous sign that reads as follows:
“SALE OF AUTOGRAPHED MEMORABILIA: AS REQUIRED BY LAW, A DEALER WHO SELLS TO A CONSUMER ANY MEMORABILIA DESCRIBED AS BEING AUTOGRAPHED MUST PROVIDE A WRITTEN CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY AT THE TIME OF SALE. THIS DEALER MAY BE SURETY BONDED OR OTHERWISE INSURED TO ENSURE THE AUTHENTICITY OF ANY COLLECTIBLE SOLD BY THIS DEALER.”
So if it's got a printed signature or even no signature you can't say it's collectible?
And/or if someone has collectibles that aren't signed they still have to have the warning sign?
Since so many things are collectible, that means pretty much every store in CA including retail.


A pretty miserable law in a lot of ways. I can see what they were trying to do, but they should have put more than 15 minutes into thinking about how to do it.

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OP is misinterpreting some of the law. There is nothing that states that someone has to be an ultimate witness of the signature.
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