Sgc

[VintageBen]

I like the SGC holder... the black background really makes most cards "pop"

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

I agree, marketing is key and PSA is the 800 pound gorilla.
But I guarantee you PSA does not give the service SGC does.
I just think it's such a shame that this hobby thinks of PSA cards get more money. It makes no sense at all to me.

I may do a study and crack 10 Psa cards and send to SGC

then send 10 SGC cards and send to PSA

I'm willing to take action on the fact that SGC comes out more conservative.

That would be great. I personally find I have more luck with SGC. PSA has been crippling me lately.

[aloondilana]

I realize the registry is monsterous for PSA. But damn, is it that much that it is the reason they get 30-40% more?

[slidekellyslide]

The PSA set registry is the main reason their cards go higher. That's where the major competitors in the slab number game have assembled to compete for the "best" sets.

[nsaddict]

The answer to the question is the REGISTRY period!

[aloondilana]

I do agree it's the registry 100%
But outside registry, when the actual grading is concerned, why not just buy SGC cards and just have them crossed to make an easy 30%?

[pcoz]

I dont see any difference in price on high end prewar or most prewar between SGC vs PSA, only on postwar due to the registry. I prefer SGC personally, but both are top notch. The floating card inside of a PSA holder is my biggest hobby pet peeve.

[BeanTown]

Agreed it's the REGISTRY which makes PSA holders treated like a commodity. Thus the term buy the card, and not the holder is coined. Recently I met a die hard PSA member. He was explaining to me about their different membership levels and what you get for each level. Most Every time he gets a card in a non PSA holder or he gets a grade he feels isn't fair, he cracks it out and he resubmits it.

I asked him how many times he has done this. He said it's in the thousands and I asked him how many he did this month and he said around 200. He went on to explain how PSA used to be real easy to crack, but they have improved their holders now which makes him use his band saw in the basement. SGC are simple to crack as two quick pops on each top corner normally does the trick.

The population numbers within a couple of years will almost be impossible to trust, if not even now.

As a collector, I still have tons of cards I bought back in the 90s and early 2000s which are raw. This was before TPGs even had a holder big enough to grade larger cards like Postcards and Cabinets. If/when I decide to sell, I will most likely use whatever TPG has the best reputation and give me a chance to fetch the best final price.

Right now PSA is king of the TPGs. We are paying for their "opinion" on the grade of cardboard they say it is. It doesn't matter if SGC has better holders, better graders, a better owner, etc.... I would love to see SGC become the new industry Giant for grading. To do this they would have to have PSA self destruct which I don't see happening and SGC would really have to come up with an innovative registry system which would become the new norm.

(Hi John glad to see you posting)

[Pjere]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Agreed it's the REGISTRY which makes PSA holders treated like a commodity. Thus the term buy the card, and not the holder is coined. Recently I met a die hard PSA member. He was explaining to me about their different membership levels and what you get for each level. Most Every time he gets a card in a non PSA holder or he gets a grade he feels isn't fair, he cracks it out and he resubmits it.

I asked him how many times he has done this. He said it's in the thousands and I asked him how many he did this month and he said around 200. He went on to explain how PSA used to be real easy to crack, but they have improved their holders now which makes him use his band saw in the basement. SGC are simple to crack as two quick pops on each top corner normally does the trick.

The population numbers within a couple of years will almost be impossible to trust, if not even now.

As a collector, I still have tons of cards I bought back in the 90s and early 2000s which are raw. This was before TPGs even had a holder big enough to grade larger cards like Postcards and Cabinets. If/when I decide to sell, I will most likely use whatever TPG has the best reputation and give me a chance to fetch the best final price.

Right now PSA is king of the TPGs. We are paying for their "opinion" on the grade of cardboard they say it is. It doesn't matter if SGC has better holders, better graders, a better owner, etc.... I would love to see SGC become the new industry Giant for grading. To do this they would have to have PSA self destruct which I don't see happening and SGC would really have to come up with an innovative registry system which would become the new norm.

(Hi John glad to see you posting)

Found this old thread somehow…unfortunately PSA self destructed and cards in their cases still bring the extra 30%. I really don’t understand what it will take for sgc to surpass them (or Beckett) but I sure wish they would! Let’s all exclusively buy SGC cards on ebay and shift this thing!


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[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by pcoz

I dont see any difference in price on high end prewar or most prewar between SGC vs PSA, only on postwar due to the registry. I prefer SGC personally, but both are top notch. The floating card inside of a PSA holder is my biggest hobby pet peeve.

Pretty dramatic post war example.



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[BruceinGa]

Four or five years ago I read posts here that basically said value wise they were about the same, only that SGC presented better.
Now from what I'm reading here and seeing on eBay is that PSA 206's are more costly.
I'm happy with the SGC's that I have. Oh, except for the 1958 Hires SGC 96 that I have. He holder is too big and scratched up. It would be nice to cross that one over.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

I do agree it's the registry 100%
But outside registry, when the actual grading is concerned, why not just buy SGC cards and just have them crossed to make an easy 30%?

The cards just dont cross over that easily plus grading fees. If I buy a SGC 7 card, i want to pay a PSA 6- 6.5 price so i am prepared to get a PSA 6 if i cross it over but that doesnt save me 30% when i go a resell that PSA 6 card that once was a SGC7. Yes you never know what the grade will be on the crossover but its a gamble that would eat up that 30% in the long run if you are just worried about making an easy 30%

With that being said, i do think that more people prefer and pay more for SGC card ratio wise in the net54 community than the general population ratio on ebay...

[BeanTown]

One common thought I hear from people who flip cards from SGC to PSA is to break it out ahead of time. If PSA knows they are regrading an SGC card it gets hammered about 95 percent of the time.

[ngnichols]

People who are buying PSA cards are either set builders or are just flat out sheep who don't realize their overpaying for lesser standards of grading.

The reason they draw a premium is for several reasons, none of which matter to me as long as the grade is accurate, standards are high, and consistency is there:

1. Publicly traded company on NASDAQ so more transparency in what the companies operations are. (Beckett and SGC are not)

2. American owned. (Beckett is not. SGC is as far as I know).

3. Coin Grading. (Shouldn't have anything to do with cards and their values, but apparently to some people it does.)

4. Set Registry. (Again, shouldn't matter unless you're a baseball card nerd, but apparently it does.)