Brent Huigens - PWCC. Do you really want to keep this game up? I'm ready boss.

[Stonepony]

Here comes another " I've got stuff on you Brent" thread ,with a whole lotta bark but no bite. Yawn.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Still waiting for those other screen shots..had a few months to figure out how to upload them..

[VintageBen]

waiting like everyone else

[orly57]

We have been down this road before.

[ngnichols]

[Rich Falvo]

Another thread I don't understand the purpose of...

[sportscardsnautos]

is how the guy, or his CSRs, thinks that it is acceptable to charge $35 in shipping for an $8 or less flat rate envelope.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Still waiting for those other screen shots..had a few months to figure out how to upload them..

Still upset that i let psa handle the last situation????.....and not your uneducated, whining self? POSSIBLY that you were left in the dark while the big boys hashed it out? Join the pay grade boss, we'll let you in. Sit back drama queen, youll join the other "queen" that i busted tonight.

If you didnt notice, i removed a comment, and edited the thread to wait for more, damning info (referred to in an intelligent world as due diligence....goggle it). So, again, as last time, either stfu, go away, or be patient. Just bc I dont give your whining ass everything you want, when you want it, doesnt mean things arent being handled that your irrelevant ass cant see.

For the ones not named this idiot (BOYNTONRETARD), i ran across some messages between Betsy and myself from pre ban days.....wonder why that happened???? 😂😂😂 Brent, i never deleted any of yours, or Betsys, messages. And, the original post, that i removed, will be back......likely today.

[Whodunit]

So, Brent, ask yourself, "what could she have said while (i was fishing with my dad) that i dont know about......that he still has?" ����

[ullmandds]

Im just wondering how the op can keep posting yet his/hers post count remains at 69????

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Im just wondering how the op can keep posting yet his/hers post count remains at 69????

All prior posts reflect an updated post count.

[Leon]

Everything's a conspiracy to some people. Post counts are automatic.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

All prior posts reflect an updated post count.

[Batpig]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Still upset that i let psa handle the last situation????.....and not your uneducated, whining self? POSSIBLY that you were left in the dark while the big boys hashed it out? Join the pay grade boss, we'll let you in. Sit back drama queen, youll join the other "queen" that i busted tonight.

If you didnt notice, i removed a comment, and edited the thread to wait for more, damning info (referred to in an intelligent world as due diligence....goggle it). So, again, as last time, either stfu, go away, or be patient. Just bc I dont give your whining ass everything you want, when you want it, doesnt mean things arent being handled that your irrelevant ass cant see.

For the ones not named this idiot (BOYNTONRETARD), i ran across some messages between Betsy and myself from pre ban days.....wonder why that happened???? 😂😂😂 Brent, i never deleted any of yours, or Betsys, messages. And, the original post, that i removed, will be back......likely today.

Goggle it!

[Bliggity]

[shernan30]

This kind of stuff is getting old.

[hangman62]

still have no idea what this is about

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

That is the funniest I've seen in a while!!



Spring 2015: Sold in REA as an SGC 50 for $6600 to Brent (according to Betsy from PWCC "for an unnamed client" - a request to confirm the unnamed client has no ownership interest in PWCC has not been responded to)

Question - Has anyone on here had any dialogue with Brent about purchasing cards for them from other AH's? Is this a service he offers or something he has done for anyone?

August 2015: Sold privately by Brent to Courtney as a PSA 7 for $75k (Betsy from PWCC states that this was on behalf of another client (it has not been clarified how the card made it from alleged client 1 to alleged client 2), Courtney the buyer states that Brent represented the card was owned by him personally). It was between the Robert Edward purchase and the Courtney purchase that the card was altered and jumped from an SGC 50 to a PSA 7.

Speculation - Brent had the card altered and submitted to PSA (the submission is fact) and at this point Brent is +$68,400 (less shipping, alteration and grading fees)


Oct 2016: Consigned by Courtney to Goldin and won by John Perez for $46,800

Courtney -$28,200
Brent - +$68,400

Feb 2017: Consigned by John to Brent and sold to unknown buyer for $52,300 (after which according to Betsy from PWCC - buyer returns card to PWCC who is "taking the loss" on the card)

Courtney -$28,200
Brent +$16,100 ($68,400 - $52,300)
John +1,300.


Speculation:

The "loss" on the last sale still leaves Brent +$16,100 from the original sale to Courtney. The card conveniently for PWCC - "disappears". If PWCC is truly innocent, it only makes sense that they go to PSA looking for reimbursement of the sale price - as PSA missed the alteration and $52,300 is A LOT of money........unless PSA would be able to come back and prove that in fact PWCC did or contracted for the alteration - giving them a solid argument not to pay. By not pursuing it, PWCC conveniently avoids this potentially more visible and costly public relations nightmare. I think PWCC has created a story about the "unnamed clients", believing it allows them "plausible deniability". PWCC tries to spin it that they are "doing the right thing" by taking the card back and refunding it's latest purchaser, when it actually conveniently leaves the card in their hands, Brent +$16,100 and Courtney out $28,200 (leaving him starting this thread and understandably upset).

Would be really curious to hear PSA weigh in on the conversation. Unfortunately, I presume PWCC is one of their best customers and they have a vested interest in finding a way to cover their own ass while protecting PWCC.



This situation raises a number of questions:

1) Is it illegal to alter a card, make no representation about it and let a grading company grade do the talking? What if it is ungraded? Some have suggested "removing what is not supposed to be there is okay" - curious to hear opinions - where is the line? soaking to get rid of paper or scrap book residue? removing tape? removing stains? removing creases? whitening? trimming? Coloring? replacing missing pieces? Does it make a difference if the card is $50 or $50,000?

2) I like the idea of doing something similar to what CGC does - a separate color label with details of alteration (these comic books sell for less than unaltered books in the same grade) - Clearly the grading companies have a harder time detecting alteration? - or just choose to ignore it?


2) If PSA's policy is it will not grade cards it determines are altered, then like many have raised, why is the Gretzky Wagner still in the PSA population?

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by hcv123

That is the funniest I've seen in a while!!

I do what I can.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by hcv123

That is the funniest I've seen in a while!!



Spring 2015: Sold in REA as an SGC 50 for $6600 to Brent (according to Betsy from PWCC "for an unnamed client" - a request to confirm the unnamed client has no ownership interest in PWCC has not been responded to)

Question - Has anyone on here had any dialogue with Brent about purchasing cards for them from other AH's? Is this a service he offers or something he has done for anyone?

August 2015: Sold privately by Brent to Courtney as a PSA 7 for $75k (Betsy from PWCC states that this was on behalf of another client (it has not been clarified how the card made it from alleged client 1 to alleged client 2), Courtney the buyer states that Brent represented the card was owned by him personally). It was between the Robert Edward purchase and the Courtney purchase that the card was altered and jumped from an SGC 50 to a PSA 7.

Speculation - Brent had the card altered and submitted to PSA (the submission is fact) and at this point Brent is +$68,400 (less shipping, alteration and grading fees)


Oct 2016: Consigned by Courtney to Goldin and won by John Perez for $46,800

Courtney -$28,200
Brent - +$68,400

Feb 2017: Consigned by John to Brent and sold to unknown buyer for $52,300 (after which according to Betsy from PWCC - buyer returns card to PWCC who is "taking the loss" on the card)

Courtney -$28,200
Brent +$16,100 ($68,400 - $52,300)
John +1,300.


Speculation:

The "loss" on the last sale still leaves Brent +$16,100 from the original sale to Courtney. The card conveniently for PWCC - "disappears". If PWCC is truly innocent, it only makes sense that they go to PSA looking for reimbursement of the sale price - as PSA missed the alteration and $52,300 is A LOT of money........unless PSA would be able to come back and prove that in fact PWCC did or contracted for the alteration - giving them a solid argument not to pay. By not pursuing it, PWCC conveniently avoids this potentially more visible and costly public relations nightmare. I think PWCC has created a story about the "unnamed clients", believing it allows them "plausible deniability". PWCC tries to spin it that they are "doing the right thing" by taking the card back and refunding it's latest purchaser, when it actually conveniently leaves the card in their hands, Brent +$16,100 and Courtney out $28,200 (leaving him starting this thread and understandably upset).

Would be really curious to hear PSA weigh in on the conversation. Unfortunately, I presume PWCC is one of their best customers and they have a vested interest in finding a way to cover their own ass while protecting PWCC.



This situation raises a number of questions:

1) Is it illegal to alter a card, make no representation about it and let a grading company grade do the talking? What if it is ungraded? Some have suggested "removing what is not supposed to be there is okay" - curious to hear opinions - where is the line? soaking to get rid of paper or scrap book residue? removing tape? removing stains? removing creases? whitening? trimming? Coloring? replacing missing pieces? Does it make a difference if the card is $50 or $50,000?

2) I like the idea of doing something similar to what CGC does - a separate color label with details of alteration (these comic books sell for less than unaltered books in the same grade) - Clearly the grading companies have a harder time detecting alteration? - or just choose to ignore it?


2) If PSA's policy is it will not grade cards it determines are altered, then like many have raised, why is the Gretzky Wagner still in the PSA population?

The prior thread has extensive discussions on issue #1. And as far as I know, PSA has never made a determination the Wagner is altered. Mastro acknowledges he trimmed it, but I have not seen PSA acknowledging this.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by batpig

goggle it!

lol!

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Here comes another " I've got stuff on you Brent" thread ,with a whole lotta bark but no bite. Yawn.

Seriously.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt the first round because he appears to have more context then what he shared, but it has proven to not have any real legs.

It does show however, that their relationship hasn't completely ended.