OT: Aaron Hernandez Commits Suicide

[wondo]

Aaron Hernandez was a bad man. Why? Who knows. He comes from a middle class athletic family; perhaps too much was thrust upon him. Perhaps he felt entitled, invincible. Perhaps he had a screw loose. I certainly do not know. What I do know is that he was convicted of murder and, therefore, the lowest of human beings. It is pathetic that we, myself included, stoop to discuss him because of his athletic prowess. He did us a favor. In my advanced years I've come to have a distaste for the death penalty. Anything but 100% certainty taints the punishment - we ain't at 100%. I feel no remorse, no vindication with Hernandez's apparent suicide. May the families and victims somehow find peace.

[Bpm0014]

Wow. The court of public opinion's lack of faith in the judicial system can be breathtaking sometimes.

You're right. Killing 1 innocent person is so much better than killing 3 (or possible 4 or 5 they are saying?). Good riddance you waste of life.

[packs]

Was reading today about how Lloyd's family won't be able to pursue civil judgments against his estate because he's technically innocent in the eyes of the law. This country's legal system really is something else. I remember the case of the Norfolk Four, four guys who were convicted of a crime they didn't commit and were later pardoned for. For years after one of the men got out he was forced to register as a sex offender even though another man had confessed to the crime the court convicted him of. The system's excuse was that because he had served a full sentence he wasn't eligible for exoneration. It took a full pardon from the state before he was allowed to stop registering as a sex offender for a crime another man confessed to.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by packs

Was reading today about how Lloyd's family won't be able to pursue civil judgments against his estate because he's technically innocent in the eyes of the law. This country's legal system really is something else. I remember the case of the Norfolk Four, four guys who were convicted of a crime they didn't commit and were later pardoned for. For years after one of the men got out he was forced to register as a sex offender even though another man had confessed to the crime the court convicted him of. The system's excuse was that because he had served a full sentence he wasn't eligible for exoneration. It took a full pardon from the state before he was allowed to stop registering as a sex offender for a crime another man confessed to.

No, that is fake news. They can sue civilly; they cannot rely on a guilty verdict to automatically establish civil liability. OJ got nailed in a civil case after he was acquitted.

As for the suicide, good riddance to bad rubbish. I hope every murderer kills himself shortly after being convicted. Saves the taxpayers a lifetime of expense.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The latest conspiracy theory.
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/0...up-secret.html

[ullmandds]

Boy does the plot thicken...BISEXUAL huh?!

[conor912]

This thing has turned into a made for TV movie.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Wow. The court of public opinion's lack of faith in the judicial system can be breathtaking sometimes.

You're right. Killing 1 innocent person is so much better than killing 3 (or possible 4 or 5 they are saying?). Good riddance you waste of life.

My comment was based on some confused facts that were later clarified. Hernandez was a bad dude and he did the world a favor yesterday. I do feel bad for Lloyd's family who is going to get screwed financially now. That's just not right and it makes me wonder if this wasn't Hernandez's plan all along....If/when acquitted on the double murder, kill himself while other case was under appeal so he would be exonerated and his family could keep his money. Why else go to the trouble of that entire trial just to hang yourself 2 days later?.....But who knows.

And yes, killing 1 person IS way better than killing 3, 4 or 5.

[nolemmings]

Why is it that people believe Lloyd's family is screwed financially now? Hernandez did not die an innocent man. He died unconvicted--there is a huge difference.

Frankly, even had he been acquiitted, he could still be found liable in a civil action--ask O.J.

[packs]

I'm not a lawyer but does the defendant being dead factor into a civil wrongful death suit? OJ was very much alive for his.

[nolemmings]

You won't be able to get incriminating testimony from the defendant but you still have all the other evidence, including witness testimony, and the burden of proof is not beyond a reasonable doubt but rather preponderance of the evidence. Sure a final conviction would have made it a slam dunk but unless there's something strange about Mass law the civil case can still proceed, although I suppose the defendant will have to be changed to the estate of Aaron Hernandez.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

You won't be able to get incriminating testimony from the defendant but you still have all the other evidence, including witness testimony, and the burden of proof is not beyond a reasonable doubt but rather preponderance of the evidence. Sure a final conviction would have made it a slam dunk but unless there's something strange about Mass law the civil case can still proceed, although I suppose the defendant will have to be changed to the estate of Aaron Hernandez.

Never underestimate the strangeness of MA law. Last I checked it was still illegal to sell alcohol on Sundays ☺️

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Why is it that people believe Lloyd's family is screwed financially now? Hernandez did not die an innocent man. He died unconvicted--there is a huge difference.

Frankly, even had he been acquiitted, he could still be found liable in a civil action--ask O.J.

Irrespective of his suicide, I'm not sure Hernandez had much left in the way of assets. Those legal bills add up fast.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Irrespective of his suicide, I'm not sure Hernandez had much left in the way of assets. Those legal bills add up fast.

Maybe, but it seems the abatement ab initio finding is something the Plaintiff's lawyers believe may require the Patriots to make a multi-million dollar payment, previously withheld, to Hernandez' estate. https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20..._Pos1#comments

Ironically, it is possible the suicide may bring the parties together on a settlement. Plaintiff may be less interested in vengeance with Hernandez dead and might, just might, have a degree of sympathy for allowing some money to remain with his little daughter, especially if one alternative is to watch the pot shrink as litigation drags on to the primary benefit of the estate's defense lawyers. Time will tell.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Maybe, but it seems the abatement ab initio finding is something the Plaintiff's lawyers believe may require the Patriots to make a multi-million dollar payment, previously withheld, to Hernandez' estate. https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20..._Pos1#comments

Ironically, it is possible the suicide may bring the parties together on a settlement. Plaintiff may be less interested in vengeance with Hernandez dead and might, just might, have a degree of sympathy for allowing some money to remain with his little daughter, especially if one alternative is to watch the pot shrink as litigation drags on to the primary benefit of the estate's defense lawyers. Time will tell.

Isn't that the point of litigation?

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by conor912

And yes, killing 1 person IS way better than killing 3, 4 or 5.

Not necessarily way better, but maybe just less bad.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

Not necessarily way better, but maybe just less bad.

It depends on if we are talking about population control or not. Who writes 3 notes? I have never heard of anyone doing this before.

[Leon]

Get over it. He killed himself.
You ask who writes three suicide notes? How about someone who is crazy and about to commit suicide? Actually, when we think about someone killing themselves does anything else really matter or sound more crazy?

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

It depends on if we are talking about population control or not. Who writes 3 notes? I have never heard of anyone doing this before.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Leon

Get over it. He killed himself.
You ask who writes three suicide notes? How about someone who is crazy and about to commit suicide? Actually, when we think about someone killing themselves does anything else really matter or sound more crazy?

I don't even follow football, at all. I watch it for the commercials. I guess you didn't pick up on my subtle humor.

But yes, I would say most people don't sit down and do revisions on their suicide note. I would find it odd, no matter how crazy the person is. I can't recall ever hearing about a suicide where there was revisions of someone's last words.