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[yanksfan09]

One need to look no further than the biggest card in the hobby, which as we know should be be in an Authentic Trimmed holder!

[glchen]

That's a misgrade by PSA. If you crack it out and send it back to PSA, it would get a 1.5 or 2.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by glchen

That's a misgrade by PSA. If you crack it out and send it back to PSA, it would get a 1.5 or 2.

See Pete's comment above.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by glchen

That's a misgrade by PSA. If you crack it out and send it back to PSA, it would get a 1.5 or 2.

And let's assume for a second that is true. Let's say it's really a psa 2. Would guys shell-out 7500-plus on it? It's the SAME CARD isn't it? Only the holder has changed. Are we card collectors or are we flip collectors? It is such a joke, and we continue to feed into the myth by buying holders over cards.

[irishdenny]

JuST A Few Observations:

1st ~ When PSA were iN their Primal Stage
They would Boost their Grade Opinion to an Extreme!
There's NothiN "PROFESSIONAL" About THiS iN Any Way Shape or Form,
Hence the PSA 8 Wagner!

2nd ~ to Note PSA's Primal Beginnings We Should Look to the "Flip" itself,
It Tells us Alot!
THiS one of Mr. Cobb's wit a Green Background,
The PSA Flip is From Their "Primal Stage"...
Way Back THeN, THiS was a PSA 5 to Them,
At THaT Time, Some Even Agreed to THiS Standard.

If You Look at the "Rounded White Corners, Wit the Red Background"
THiS Configuration Tells us THaT "The Slab is Very Old!!!"

JuSt to End...
When it Comes to "Flips", I Only Remember the Basics
I Do Know THaT There are a Few Members oN Here
THaT Could Teach a Class oN "Flips: Bar Codes & Configurations"

https://goldinauctions.com/1909_11_T...-LOT29129.aspx

[glchen]

Originally Posted by orly57

And let's assume for a second that is true. Let's say it's really a psa 2. Would guys shell-out 7500-plus on it? It's the SAME CARD isn't it? Only the holder has changed. Are we card collectors or are we flip collectors? It is such a joke, and we continue to feed into the myth by buying holders over cards.

That's true BUT you can argue that if that card were graded a 2, it would have superior eye appeal to practically any other green Cobb that was graded a 2. So even card collectors (and not flip collectors) would still value the card significantly above the average VCP for a 2. Saying all of that, I don't think the card should sell for what a 5 does.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by glchen

That's true BUT you can argue that if that card were graded a 2, it would have superior eye appeal to practically any other green Cobb that was graded a 2. So even card collectors (and not flip collectors) would still value the card significantly above the average VCP for a 2. Saying all of that, I don't think the card should sell for what a 5 does.

Agree with Gary.

That card is a 2 at best. A nice visually 2 and will sell at a large premium...but no more a 5 than a 10.

[keithsky]

The amount of money these grading companies make a year is unreal and people keep feeding them more of it just to have a number and a slab for there card. If that card was without a holder and you tried to sell it verses some clown slabbing it and putting a number on it that he decides and only him so now it's 2 maybe 3 times as much in value? Maybe even more depending on who it is. All because it's slabbed with a number. When you think about the grading companies and only them deciding what the value of a card is because there is some number on a slab it hard to make sense of it. Another words basicly 3 companies controlling the whole market and what the value of cards are. Can't we do that on our own? It's funny when a guy wants to have a card reslabbed to see about a higher number or he'll say PSA will get me more money than SGC. Right there it's all about the slab and not the card so fueling the grading companies more money. They have to sit back and just love it.

[swarmee]

Definitely an old grade. What the seller should do is send it back in to PSA and have them refund the difference of what they paid and whatever the card is worth as a PSA 2 (which I would expect it to grade now).

Is the white spot on the front also a tiny paper loss? If so, it might be a 1.5 now at PSA. Does the back actually have paper loss or is it possibly a print defect? There seems to be mild discoloration where paper loss would be, but I don't see any tears.

[Snapolit1]

Grading companies miss things. Why does this call into question the legitimacy of the whole industry? Doctors miss things sometimes. So do lawyers. So do people who draft players for the NFL. The folks at NASA missed something a few years ago that led to a terrible tragedy. Judges, teachers and detective miss things. So people post examples here of stuff that was mishandled. What does this prove other than every human endeavor is subject to human error?

[mattjc1983]

Originally Posted by orly57

And let's assume for a second that is true. Let's say it's really a psa 2. Would guys shell-out 7500-plus on it? It's the SAME CARD isn't it? Only the holder has changed. Are we card collectors or are we flip collectors? It is such a joke, and we continue to feed into the myth by buying holders over cards.

In the older cards, obviously a lot of the premiums for even small grade bumps has to do with the pop reports.

But those are dangerous assumptions people make. Not only are there ungraded cards in collections that, if/when graded would alter the pop reports, but there are likely still attic finds that will do the same. I would never play that lottery but many do.


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[Exhibitman]

FWIW I sent in an N28 in very similar condition last year (a bit more back damage but no staining) and it got a 2 from PSA.