Bid Retractions

[irv]

Originally Posted by bnorth

If it is adhered to it will only be for this one bidder and because Leon emailed them and posted he did on this forum.

Otherwise it will be business as usual.

I thought that too, but thought, just maybe, if Brent knows that collectors are watching a little more thoroughly now, he may also, to save face, have to do the same?

[PhillipAbbott79]

I recently emailed them about a bid retractor on a big card and their reply was essentially "yes, this is someone who has been warned before" and that "their retractions have gone down, so they are likely learning their lesson".

At that point of contact I believe they had 11 retractions, which I believe still would constitute them not being allowed to bid, so I am unsure at what point this person wasn't blocked, and likely doing absolutely nothing about it.

I see a number of people with very low feedback bidding on advanced collector type cards and I can't help but wonder if these are just the same people with new accounts.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

I thought that too, but thought, just maybe, if Brent knows that collectors are watching a little more thoroughly now, he may also, to save face, have to do the same?

I have been a member for close to 4 years now and this is the pattern I see. Someone calls them out, they respond with how they are working with eBay and have implemented new rules to solve the problem.

Then there are 3 different responses.
1) WOW it is great they are doing this and helping solve shilling and other bad things. I figure these are paid advertisements or delusional posters.

2) Same thing different day because if they are selling what I want I will bid no matter what. Hey at least they are honest.

3) People quit bidding in their auctions. Very few fit in this category because stuff trumps everything in this hobby.

IMHO this is how I see it.

[gregr2]

It is sad that the top 3 topics on the board are all dealing with PWCC and bidding in their auctions.Capture.JPG

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by gregr2

It is sad that the top 3 topics on the board are all dealing with PWCC and bidding in their auctions.Attachment 265804

I agree. It would be awesome if they would really clean up their act so this was not a subject on here.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I agree. It would be awesome if they would really clean up their act so this was not a subject on here.

im afraid this may never go away...and if it does so will the hobby!

[irv]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have been a member for close to 4 years now and this is the pattern I see. Someone calls them out, they respond with how they are working with eBay and have implemented new rules to solve the problem.

Then there are 3 different responses.
1) WOW it is great they are doing this and helping solve shilling and other bad things. I figure these are paid advertisements or delusional posters.

2) Same thing different day because if they are selling what I want I will bid no matter what. Hey at least they are honest.

3) People quit bidding in their auctions. Very few fit in this category because stuff trumps everything in this hobby.

IMHO this is how I see it.

You're likely right, Ben, but I was just thinking, due to the recent, unwanted attention PWCC has received lately, that maybe they'd actually adhere to their own rules and put forth an effort to abide by them.

I likely haven't been around here long enough to see that history likely repeats itself, but here's hoping it won't.

I'll be honest, I have purchased from PWCC in the past but with the recent posts, among other things, has really made me open my eyes and be a little more careful who I purchase from.
They had some nice slabbed 52's last night that sold on the cheap, imo, that I would have liked, but I just couldn't bring myself to it.

[jfkheat]

The only way bid retraction will ever stop is if eBay removes it as an option. What eBay needs to do is make it so that the bidder has to contact the seller if they want a bid cancelled.
James

[Bpm0014]

I've been on ebay for like 15 years and have zero (0) bid retractions. I couldn't fathom 8 or 26

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

The only way bid retraction will ever stop is if eBay removes it as an option. What eBay needs to do is make it so that the bidder has to contact the seller if they want a bid cancelled.
James

This.

I believe many bidders now think this is a valid strategy to drive other bidders away.......................or they think nothing of the etiquette of the matter, or how much it's frowned upon my many bidders and sellers.

PWCC can't just ban everybody who has retractions, or they'd have no bidders left.

Lots of big money guys are obviously using it as what they feel, is an accepted technique and strategy.

There's no repercussions, and Ebay is complicit in this line of thinking. It's easily solved, but Ebay's not interested in solving it.