52 Mantle Vs T206 Cobb

[irv]

Originally Posted by sterlingfox

While still extremely visually appealing, I see a faint amount of paper loss on the upper right corner.

Originally Posted by ullmandds

and a faint crease horizontally through the ny in micks hat. nonetheless a gorgeous card!!!

You guys likely have better eyes than me and more experience, so I'll have to take your word for it that those are the reasons as I can see neither of those.

Imo, this is a clear, buy the card not the slab situation.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by irv

You guys likely have better eyes than me and more experience, so I'll have to take your word for it that those are the reasons as I can see neither of those.

Imo, this is a clear, buy the card not the slab situation.

and it appears creasing/wrinkling mid neck.

[KendallCat]

No paper loss on the corner, but there is a slight wrinkle going through the hat area - very good eyes there Got very lucky when I was offered the card about 1.5 years ago, and I would personally rather have a card with that flaw where most are trying to guess what the issue is versus a card that is tilted/80/20 centering, corner has been chewed off... without that crease the card is probably a 4.5/5 or possibly better and now a $100k card and out of my price range.

Back to the original subject at hand between Cobb and Mantle. Both were great players and in different respects. What I am curious about is why several people commented "once the baby boomers die off there will be no interest in Mantle since nobody will have seen him play." If that is the case there should be nobody around now that wants a Cobb, Wagner, Young, Walter Johnson... using that rationale.

Mantle is baseballs version of a legend like Paul Bunyan -how fast was he, how far could he hit it.... add to that he has the BEST World Series numbers and records and it only cements his legacy.

Now that we solved that issue we can argue which is his true rookie

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by KendallCat

.. without that crease the card is probably a 4.5/5 or possibly better and now a $100k card and out of my price range.]

Vcp Average sales for a 4.5 is 37k, and 5s are 60k...but I guess anything is possible

[KendallCat]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Vcp Average sales for a 4.5 is 37k, and 5s are 60k...but I guess anything is possible

VCP shows that but I know of private sales for high end 4.5's and 5's and they are at least double those prices. I know of a 4.5 that has been offered close to $100k and a 5 over $100k - 100% legit sales.

As many folks here know most major sales are done privately and never see VCP. I have sold 4-5 Mantles recently and All were done privately all above the VCP high prices for PSA 8. VCP is a good barometer for prices, but most collectors know that a ton of great cards change hands before they are offered to the masses - collectors who really want a card make it known to sellers/dealers ahead of time and when the card comes up it is sold and for huge $$.

[ullmandds]

lots of "alternative facts" being slung around.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by KendallCat

VCP shows that but I know of private sales for high end 4.5's and 5's and they are at least double those prices. I know of a 4.5 that has been offered close to $100k and a 5 over $100k - 100% legit sales.

As many folks here know most major sales are done privately and never see VCP. I have sold 4-5 Mantles recently and All were done privately all above the VCP high prices for PSA 8. VCP is a good barometer for prices, but most collectors know that a ton of great cards change hands before they are offered to the masses - collectors who really want a card make it known to sellers/dealers ahead of time and when the card comes up it is sold and for huge $$.

Then I need to talk to you. I have been trying to buy cards and have been running into a brick wall. They seem to want to go to auction houses rather than sell privately for fear of leaving dollars on the table.

[Touch'EmAll]

I feel some folks are putting words in my mouth.

My post posed the question, "What might happen as baby boomers pass?" Notice I said might. I also said, "He will always be top tier icon player, but might his pull subside?" Notice again I said might.

I never said Mantle's cards were going to drop in value. I never said Mantle's card would be a poor investment. I never said Mantle's popularity will decrease. Heck, they weren't actually statements, they were questions centered around the word, "might."

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by KendallCat

No paper loss on the corner, but there is a slight wrinkle going through the hat area - very good eyes there Got very lucky when I was offered the card about 1.5 years ago, and I would personally rather have a card with that flaw where most are trying to guess what the issue is versus a card that is tilted/80/20 centering, corner has been chewed off... without that crease the card is probably a 4.5/5 or possibly better and now a $100k card and out of my price range.

Back to the original subject at hand between Cobb and Mantle. Both were great players and in different respects. What I am curious about is why several people commented "once the baby boomers die off there will be no interest in Mantle since nobody will have seen him play." If that is the case there should be nobody around now that wants a Cobb, Wagner, Young, Walter Johnson... using that rationale.

Mantle is baseballs version of a legend like Paul Bunyan -how fast was he, how far could he hit it.... add to that he has the BEST World Series numbers and records and it only cements his legacy.

Now that we solved that issue we can argue which is his true rookie

Uhh no, you have the "rationale" backwards. There was NO organized hobby contemporary to all the Dead Ball Era players you listed, hence, from day one of the modern hobby, those players have been highy venerated REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT NO MODERN COLLECTORS SAW THEM PLAY. That is not the case with Mantle. So assuming it will be the same for The Mick as it has been for past legends is purely speculation, and NOTHING more.