In all the T206 back discussions I've never seen this question

[Sean]

Hi Ted. Jon's point was that T206resource.com lists 484 Sovereigns, including Chance and Clarke. If they are indeed no-prints, that makes 482 cards. But you say 483, so is there another Sov on your list that is uncatalogued?

[tedzan]

Sean

The SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green) list in t206 resource totals only 215 subjects. There is something confusing here ? ?

Incidentally, this list has Chesbro confirmed with SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green). I don't think so....I have never seen this card.
And, neither POP reports' data identifies this f/b combo as graded.


TED Z
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[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Jon

Here is my breakdown of the cards in a SOVEREIGN Master set ......

150 ...... SOVEREIGN 150
. 75 ...... SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green) 150/350 series
. 81 ...... SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green) Major Leaguers
. 59 ...... SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green) Minor Leaguers
. 66 ...... SOVEREIGN 350 (apple green) subjects
. 46 ...... SOVEREIGN 460 subjects
. . 6 ...... SOVEREIGN 460 Super-Prints
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483


TED Z
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Originally Posted by tedzan

Sean

The SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green) list in t206 resource totals only 215 subjects. There is something confusing here ? ?

Incidentally, this list has Chesbro confirmed with SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green). I don't think so....I have never seen this card.
And, neither POP reports' data identifies this f/b combo as graded.


TED Z
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Hi Ted,

Thanks for sharing all of your incredible knowledge. I don't understand your "215" comment as it applies to T206 Resource. When I add up your list of forest greens, it totals 215 too. So why would T206 Resource's list be incorrect, in your opinion, if you both list 215 forest greens?

(P.S. Always GREAT talking cards in Cooperstown with you!)

[HobokenJon]

Hi, Ted. Respectfully, sir, please read my prior post that chronicles in great detail -- with links -- how T206 Resource has published conflicting information regarding how many cards are confirmed with Sov 350 forest green backs. I enjoy your posts and the authority with which you write. But you're not addressing the question I asked, and I believe a lot of T206 collectors would benefit if you could. Kind regards, Jon

[HobokenJon]

Here's another data set for consideration: The T206 master spreadsheet at T206 Resource lists 81 confirmed Sov 350 forest green backs from Print Group 1 (150-350).

Ted, you said your breakdown showed 75 cards in the Sov 350 (forest green) 150/350 series. So that's a difference of six. Which ones do you think T206 Resource got wrong? And do you know of any that it erroneously left out?

Here's the list, cut and pasted from the T206 master spreadsheet, which can be found at this link:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0

Ed Abbaticchio Brown Sleeves Pittsburgh
Red Ames Portrait NY Giants
George Bell Hands above Head Brooklyn
Chief Bender Portrait Phil A's
Joe Birmingham Horizontal Cleveland
Roger Bresnahan Portrait StL Cardinals
Al Bridwell No Cap NY Giants
George Brown Batting Washington
Mordecai Brown Portrait Chi Cubs
Howie Camnitz Arms Folded Pittsburgh
Frank Chance Red Portrait Chi Cubs
Jack Chesbro Portrait NY Highlanders
Ed Cicotte Follow Thru Boston Red Sox
Fred Clarke Portrait Pittsburgh
Fred Clarke Batting Pittsburgh
Ty Cobb Bat on Shoulder Detroit
Sam Crawford Throwing Detroit
Lou Criger Portrait StL Browns
Dode Criss Follow Thru StL Browns
Bill Dahlen Portrait Brooklyn
George Davis Throwing Chi White Sox
Art Devlin Portrait NY Giants
Mike Donlin Seated NY Giants
Jiggs Donohue Follow Thru Chi White Sox
Red Dooin Portrait Phil Phillies
Patsy Dougherty Portrait Chi White Sox
Kid Elberfeld Portrait NY Highlanders
Hobe Ferris Throwing StL Browns
Elmer Flick Batting Cleveland
Wilbur Goode Batting Cleveland
Clark Griffith Portrait Cincinnati
Frank Isbell Follow Thru Chi White Sox
Fred Jacklitsch Fielding Phil Phillies
Hughie Jennings Portrait Detroit
Walter Johnson Portrait Washington
Fielder Jones Portrait Chi White Sox
Fielder Jones Standing Chi White Sox
Tim Jordan Portrait Brooklyn
Addie Joss Portrait Cleveland
Willie Keeler Batting NY Highlanders
Ed Killian Pitching Detroit
Red Kleinow Batting NY Highlanders
Johnny Kling Portrait Chi Cubs
Ed Konetchy Glove High StL Cardinals
Nap Lajoie Portrait Cleveland
Tommy Leach Portrait Pittsburgh
Lefty Leifield Pitching Pittsburgh
Glenn Liebhardt Batting Cleveland
Rube Manning Batting NY Highlanders
Christy Mathewson Portrait NY Giants
John McGraw Portrait no Cap NY Giants
John McGraw Finger in Air NY Giants
Fred Merkle Portrait NY Giants
Danny Murphy Horizontal Phil A's
Simon Nicholls Fielding Phil A's
Harry Niles Standing Boston Red Sox
Rube Oldring Fielding Phil A's
Charles O'Leary Portrait Detroit
Fred Parent Portrait Chi White Sox
Jim Pastorius Ready to Throw Brooklyn
Cy Seymour Batting NY Giants
Jimmy Sheckard Pink Sky (No Glove) Chi Cubs
Bill Shipke Fielding Washington
Frank Smith F. Smith Chi White Sox
Jake Stahl No Glove Boston Red Sox
George Stone Portrait StL Browns
George Stovall Portrait Cleveland
Billy Sullivan Portrait Chi White Sox
Fred Tenney Portrait NY Giants
Joe Tinker Hands on Knees Chi Cubs
Terry Turner Portrait Cleveland
Rube Waddell Portrait StL Browns
Rube Waddell Throwing StL Browns
Bobby Wallace Portrait StL Browns
Ed Walsh Portrait Chi White Sox
Jake Weimer Portrait NY Giants
Doc White Portrait Chi White Sox
Vic Willis Portrait Pittsburgh
Hooks Wiltse Portrait No Cap NY Giants
Cy Young Portrait Cleveland
Cy Young Bare Hand Cleveland

[Pat R]

Jon,

George Browne (Washington) and Bill Dahlen (Brooklyn) are Print group 1 but they're
350 only subjects.

[HobokenJon]

Good catch.