New SGC grading fees

[bnorth]

I have only directly submitted to SGC and they charge your CC as soon as they receive your cards. I personally think that is BS and they should wait till they are done with your order and they are mailing it back so they have actually earned the $.

How do the other companies do payments?

[CMIZ5290]

I would like to clarify a couple of things from my post. First of all, I was referring to the submission of raw T206 cards. If SGC's fees are now considerably higher than PSA's, why would you submit to SGC? That defeats the purpose of why you would be using SGC in the first place, doesn't it? Secondly, most of my T206s are high end grade wise. There is a much higher price difference between PSA and SGC with those types of grades (7's and higher), versus middle to lower grades (1's-6's), where the price difference is not that terribly different at all. I realize that most T206 collectors fall into the later, so I thought this was important to note....

[glchen]

The fees for SGC are still cheaper than PSA on the low end if you aren't submitting in bulk and/or don't have a membership. The cheapest regular PSA fee is $18 per card for $500 and under declared value. For SGC, it can be $10 for $250 declared value for 20 business days or $15/card for $500 declared value and 10 business days.

SGC also lets you combine tiers and card sizes within a single submission while for PSA, you need to separate each into its own submission with separate shipping costs for each. Therefore, if you have 2 standard cards at the $500 declared value, 3 oversized cards at $500, 1 card at $1000 declared value, and 1 card at $3000 declared value, for PSA, you would have to have four different submissions, each with its own shipping charge (w/ the minimum charge being $18/submission). For SGC, you can combine all of these different cards into one submission, and save on the shipping fees. (Turnaround time will typically default to the slowest tier.)

SGC and Beckett typically charge your order once you receive it. PSA charges when they ship your order. PSA/DNA (e.g., photos) charges when they receive it.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I would like to clarify a couple of things from my post. First of all, I was referring to the submission of raw T206 cards. If SGC's fees are now considerably higher than PSA's, why would you submit to SGC? That defeats the purpose of why you would be using SGC in the first place, doesn't it? Secondly, most of my T206s are high end grade wise. There is a much higher price difference between PSA and SGC with those types of grades (7's and higher), versus middle to lower grades (1's-6's), where the price difference is not that terribly different at all. I realize that most T206 collectors fall into the later, so I thought this was important to note....

Well if a card would grade PSA 7 but would grade SGC 8 than even paying the same or a bit higher for grading would make sense there.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Well if a card would grade PSA 7 but would grade SGC 8 than even paying the same or a bit higher for grading would make sense there.

Depends on the player, not necessarily though... If it is a very low pop common (Titus, Jake Stahl glove shows, Sherry Magee Port., etc) I would much rather have the PSA 7 hands down. You are now bringing in the high grade PSA registration collectors....Also, pertaining HOFers, I would rather have low pop PSA 7's than comparable SGC 88's....

[steve B]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I would like to clarify a couple of things from my post. First of all, I was referring to the submission of raw T206 cards. If SGC's fees are now considerably higher than PSA's, why would you submit to SGC? That defeats the purpose of why you would be using SGC in the first place, doesn't it? Secondly, most of my T206s are high end grade wise. There is a much higher price difference between PSA and SGC with those types of grades (7's and higher), versus middle to lower grades (1's-6's), where the price difference is not that terribly different at all. I realize that most T206 collectors fall into the later, so I thought this was important to note....

That makes a bit more sense.

I think both companies have their strengths and weaknesses. All of which have been hashed over many times.

For the lower end collectors, it's not much of a change. I usually sent stuff in to SGC on specials, may not do more since the decent specials are now "members only". But most of what I would send in would qualify for the $10 fee so it's only a couple bucks more than I was getting on specials. They've done some stuff lately that I don't like at all. So has PSA.

I can see the PSA/SGC stuff mattering a lot more for higher grades and more expensive cards.

If I was organized enough I'd see about starting my own grading service. It would be tough to get any real traction, but with the right things to make it better I think there's room for at least a couple more.
A much higher end one. Although not quite as high end on fees as SGC is now (Maybe, I mean if you've got the dough to have a 100K card 3K plus for the grading isn't really all that much. )

And a lower end one something like BCCG but not as cheesy and confusing. Just lower fees for cheaper stuff.

Steve B

[Shoebox]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have only directly submitted to SGC and they charge your CC as soon as they receive your cards. I personally think that is BS and they should wait till they are done with your order and they are mailing it back so they have actually earned the $.

How do the other companies do payments?

I know for sure SGC and Beckett charge as soon as the order is received. I imagine PSA does the same.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Shoebox

I know for sure SGC and Beckett charge as soon as the order is received. I imagine PSA does the same.

Negative, psa charges when order is graded

[conor912]

I still don't get it. Do graders spend more time inspecting a $10,000 card than they do a $10 card? If they don't, why does it cost more?

[irv]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Gosh, grading high valued cards must be a lot more difficult.

Originally Posted by conor912

I still don't get it. Do graders spend more time inspecting a $10,000 card than they do a $10 card? If they don't, why does it cost more?

I asked exactly that early last year when we were talking about PSA's new price increases.

Someone did reply to state, due to insurance/shipping costs, and maybe a few other things, the price was justified because of the value.
Don't shoot the messenger.

Speaking of grading, I just posted in Post war and want everyone to guess which cards graded what and why?
Just having a little fun, but I also want some info to further gain some knowledge.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=235854

Thanks.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by conor912

I still don't get it. Do graders spend more time inspecting a $10,000 card than they do a $10 card? If they don't, why does it cost more?

They realize they are handing you money and want a piece of the action. It seems pretty fair to me.

[Kenny Cole]

I had already been on hiatus from submitting to SGC due to a couple of other issues/concerns I had. This is bullsh*t IMO and pretty well cements my transition to PSA. Hope it works out for them, but I won't be contributing.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I had already been on hiatus from submitting to SGC due to a couple of other issues/concerns I had. This is bullsh*t IMO and pretty well cements my transition to PSA. Hope it works out for them, but I won't be contributing.

What are those issues/concerns?

My grades popped today and 109 of them seemed spot on but 10 of them seemed way off base. I am talking 3 to 4 grades off. Maybe I missed something but I highly doubt it, can't wait to get them back to look at again.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

They realize they are handing you money and want a piece of the action. It seems pretty fair to me.

Ha. Wow. That would be like putting an addition onto your house and your contractor wanting a cut of the value the addition just added.

[Exhibitman]

Just never get cheated...

I bought this in a 2 holder, cracked and resubbed:

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by conor912

Ha. Wow. That would be like putting an addition onto your house and your contractor wanting a cut of the value the addition just added.

To be fully honest as a contractor for 20 years. We didn't want a cut of your addition. We did charge you more for the SAME EXACT addition if you have a 800K house compare to a 300K house.

[Shoebox]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Negative, psa charges when order is graded

Good to know.

[Bruinsfan94]

Really would be cool if these companies would be more transparent. You think that would be important in a hobby like this. How does one even become a card grader? Are there any former or current graders on this fourm?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Bruinsfan94

Really would be cool if these companies would be more transparent. You think that would be important in a hobby like this. How does one even become a card grader? Are there any former or current graders on this fourm?

I wouldn't count on any current graders publicly acknowledging their position on a forum. Imagine the PMs they would get with cash incentives to bump a card.

As for the SGC prices my guess is the higher rate is due to the risk of damaging the card. But the chances of me sending a 10k plus card before the fee increase to SGC was very low. I would put them at just above 0 now.

[ngnichols]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I wouldn't count on any current graders publicly acknowledging their position on a forum. Imagine the PMs they would get with cash incentives to bump a card.

As for the SGC prices my guess is the higher rate is due to the risk of damaging the card. But the chances of me sending a 10k plus card before the fee increase to SGC was very low. I would put them at just above 0 now.

The higher rate is because they are greedy like PSA.

I understand that me being able to walk in to Beckett and get a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle graded on the spot for $50 is an immense value, BUT charging someone $1,000 or whatever for the same process is an absolute ripoff and a joke. Where the happy medium is.....I don't know, but I know that I'm getting a better overall deal with price and turnaround time with Beckett being in my back-yard.