PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[rajah424]

So, it's wrong for Greg to potentially cost an innocent consignor but what about the potential winner that he might have saved? I feel for John in this situation but seems like he might have some recourse with PWCC. The more times this card is sold it seems it would be more difficult to be made right by the original parties involved in the cleaning of the card.

It would really suck to pay for a PSA 7 and 5 years from now those stains start to reappear.

[ezez420]

I still do not see where Greg is saving anyone money but tampering with an existing auction. Nothing more to it. I am all about honesty and integrity in this hobby which is why I will refrain commenting on others in this post.

The card is in a PSA 7 holder graded by PSA. And I do not see anything wrong with that nor did PSA see anything when grading. There are many cards out there that have had stains etc removed. Would others like it if some of us start digging into some cards that are posted on this board. Lets put it this way there would be a lot of problems if so. There are plenty of scans and high end cards on this board that have been tampered with or changed holders.

This is much different then what people like Battlefield are doing to the public by artificially changing scans to sell a card.

The real question that some of you super sleuths should be asking is who comes up with a $75k price tag on a card in a fictitiously inflated market.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Hopefully Ed, we can discuss and possibly even disagree without devolving into name calling unlike some other people in this thread. Seems like you're the kind of guy who can do that.

There's an inherent flaw in your logic. If people feel that a PSA 7 is a PSA 7 is a PSA 7 then the back story on the card isn't going to matter to them. So in essence it's a self-correcting issue. If the back story bothers you, then you wanted to know, and Greg did the community a service. If you feel the grade absolutely clears any concerns about the card, which you imply (and there are many who agree with that sentiment, just ask the owner of the Diamondbacks.) then the back story doesn't matter and so Greg's post didn't matter.

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Hopefully Ed, we can discuss and possibly even disagree without devolving into name calling unlike some other people in this thread. Seems like you're the kind of guy who can do that.

There's an inherent flaw in your logic. If people feel that a PSA 7 is a PSA 7 is a PSA 7 then the back story on the card isn't going to matter to them. So in essence it's a self-correcting issue. If the back story bothers you, then you wanted to know, and Greg did the community a service. If you feel the grade absolutely clears any concerns about the card, which you imply (and there are many who agree with that sentiment, just ask the owner of the Diamondbacks.) then the back story doesn't matter and so Greg's post didn't matter.

Funny you should mention that Scott. Last night I thought how ironic it would be if the owner of the sliced & diced Wagner also bought this 36 WWG DiMaggio.

One question I have for anyone on the board. When did PSA become the almighty authority in this hobby?

Just because PSA says it's a 7 does not mean it is a 7. They gave nothing more than an opinion, which they were paid to do.

[ezez420]

Scott,
I dont see what service Greg did except potentially cost John money who bought card legitly. Not picking a fight but what would you think if I (basis of argument only) go look for some posts on here or collectorsfocus of guys showing off some big cards and I find the before and afters costing them thousands. So next time every major auction has any of the cards up we can say if was screwed with. I have a problem with this and what Greg did during an auction. It does nobody any good except piss people off.

Also on the flip side I dont really believe the $75k. It was an arbitrary number and coming from a guy who made so many people leave hobby for good after the National. And if some people dont see that open your eyes.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Again many people would agree with you that the card is legit. Those people would not be influenced by this thread or the information contained herein. The people who feel the card is not legit definitely would want to know, so I see it as no harm, no foul. You allowed the people who wanted the card because of the PSA grade to compete and greatly reduced the chance of a return from a buyer who was unhappy with the card due to the changes.

Without this thread if a buyer who DID mind the changes had won it and found out, it would have been a very likely candidate for a return, so which is worse a disappointing sale or a no sale? If you're arguing that the next buyer should've never found out, then you are back to pushing the problem onto the next guy until someone is left holding the bag. Should Greg have waited until the return period was over before making the post?

Now, ostensibly, the card is in the hands of someone who wants it with full knowledge of its history, and to me that's as it should be.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Again many people would agree with you that the card is legit. Those people would not be influenced by this thread or the information contained herein. The people who feel the card is not legit definitely would want to know, so I see it as no harm, no foul. You allowed the people who wanted the card because of the PSA grade to compete and greatly reduced the chance of a return from a buyer who was unhappy with the card due to the changes.

Without this thread if a buyer who DID mind the changes had won it and found out, it would have been a very likely candidate for a return, so which is worse a disappointing sale or a no sale? If you're arguing that the next buyer should've never found out, then you are back to pushing the problem onto the next guy until someone is left holding the bag. Should Greg have waited until the return period was over before making the post?

Now, ostensibly, the card is in the hands of someone who wants it with full knowledge of its history, and to me that's as it should be.

You said exactly what i was getting yet.

Plus for now on when we buy a card we can ask for a 30 day return in the event a prior sale of the same card comes to light that is 2 grades lower for example and if the seller refuses this then make an offer accordingly

[Scocs]

I just don't understand one fundamental thing. I have collected baseball cards, comic books, prints and posters. What do they all have in common?

They are all made of paper.

Comic books, prints, and posters all make restoration a public matter, whether it's by a grading company or by the dealer. Are there omissions? Sure. But just look around and you'll see -- as others have already pointed out -- that original condition, with flaws intact -- commands higher prices than items that have been altered or restored.

Why can't we do the same for baseball cards? Is that too much ask for?