PSA blues

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Maddog

They're PAID for their opinion. If they screw up there should be consequences otherwise don't claim to be an expert or professional.

The purchaser of the services is willingly entering into the arrangement knowing what they are paying for. The only authenticators I am aware of who claim to be able to "prove" or "guarantee" anything are the bogus forensic authenticators. And ironically, THEY are the ones with actual formal training and certification. (Just because you have the paperwork from some sort of certification doesn't mean you are honestly, ethically or competently applying it.)

[doug.goodman]

This thread explains exactly why i call them "the people who get paid for their opinions", and why I don't use them.

Doug

[Johnny630]

Agree with you Steve 👍

[Maddog]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

The purchaser of the services is willingly entering into the arrangement knowing what they are paying for. The only authenticators I am aware of who claim to be able to "prove" or "guarantee" anything are the bogus forensic authenticators. And ironically, THEY are the ones with actual formal training and certification. (Just because you have the paperwork from some sort of certification doesn't mean you are honestly, ethically or competently applying it.)

Steve,

You're taking this too personal.

I fully know that just because one has some form of certification does not mean they will act in a professional manner. Believe me, in my field I have met a lot of unethical people. But at least with certification there is accountability for their action(s).

My point is that if there is no way to hold someone responsible for their "opinion", nor will that person accept responsibility for their "opinion" then where is the professionalism.

Again, sorry if I am hitting a sore spot, but I see too many instances where someone calls themselves a "professional" just so then can charge a fee and then dodge any responsibility for errors.

Do we need experts in our hobby, hell yes, but we need to be able to ascertain what makes that person an expert. With PSA or JSA you have no idea who is looking at something. Have the specific individual who is authenticating the item sign the cert and have a means of holding that person responsible. is their "opinion" is false.

Is this too much to ask?

[Klrdds]

Originally Posted by Maddog

Steve,



. With PSA or JSA you have no idea who is looking at something. Have the specific individual who is authenticating the item sign the cert and have a means of holding that person responsible. is their "opinion" is false.

Is this too much to ask?

Once again the subject of accountability for JSA and PSA enters the conversation. PSA , even with the BIG 3 there in name only ,and JSA will never have accountability as one of their characteristics/qualities as long as the collectors and dealers and AHs allow them to continue with business as usual . It would take a massive revolt of their services by the collectors and dealers and AHs to even have them consider accountability as to who and how many people looked at the item to render an opinion , why it was accepted as good or not accepted as good, and what methods were used to determine such opinion and issue a true LOA with those people's names and qualifications and a detailed description of their opinions on the LOA.
As long as the collectors and dealers and AHs follow PSA and JSA like lemmings over a cliff this accountability will never occur because it is not in PSA'S or JSA's interest to be accountable unlike Jim Stinson and Richard Simon who I consider accountable for all their opinion both positve and negative concerning autheticity of their items.

[Maddog]

Ken,

That is exactly my point. We allow this to happen.
When there are no controls in place you have chaos.
Anytime I purchase something over say $500 I couldn't
care if PSA & JSA bless it as gospel, if Jim S, Rich S, say no, then it's no.
They have integrity and accountability. That means a lot, even if it's just to me.