Tickets

[Dave Grob]

I have not followed this segment of the hobby/industry as closely as I have followed others, but there may be a number of factors in play here.

1. Maturing collectors who have completed card sets and looking for something new to collect.

2. Maturing collectors dealing with rising prices/declining availability of game used or stadia items, thus tickets and scorecards represent an affordable vintage collectable by comparison.

3. Maturing team collectors looking to augment collections with scorecards and programs.

4. Maturing collections that now have to deal with space as premium, and tickets and scorecards are not storage space intensive.

5. Newer collectors looking to get into vintage items that are seeking for an affordable vintage collectable that is scalable/check list approach (a season, a player, events).

In some cases and with some collectors, it could be various combinations of the above factors. Just some thoughts for what it’s worth..

Dave Grob

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by Dave Grob

I have not followed this segment of the hobby/industry as closely as I have followed others, but there may be a number of factors in play here.

1. Maturing collectors who have completed card sets and looking for something new to collect.

2. Maturing collectors dealing with rising prices/declining availability of game used or stadia items, thus tickets and scorecards represent an affordable vintage collectable by comparison.

3. Maturing team collectors looking to augment collections with scorecards and programs.

4. Maturing collections that now have to deal with space as premium, and tickets and scorecards are not storage space intensive.

5. Newer collectors looking to get into vintage items that are seeking for an affordable vintage collectable that is scalable/check list approach (a season, a player, events).

In some cases and with some collectors, it could be various combinations of the above factors. Just some thoughts for what it’s worth..

Dave Grob

I have not thought about a lot of those reasons but they all make sense. Good to see people getting more involved in this portion.

[71buc]

My wife has called me many things "maturing" certainly isn't one of them. By the way I recently purchased your book and have greatly enjoyed it. Thanks!

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by 71buc

My wife has called me many things "maturing" certainly isn't one of them. By the way I recently purchased your book and have greatly enjoyed it. Thanks!

Hey Mike, I hear you. I also recently purchased Dave's book & I would highly recommend it to everyone.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Dave Grob

I have not followed this segment of the hobby/industry as closely as I have followed others, but there may be a number of factors in play here.

1. Maturing collectors who have completed card sets and looking for something new to collect.

2. Maturing collectors dealing with rising prices/declining availability of game used or stadia items, thus tickets and scorecards represent an affordable vintage collectable by comparison.

3. Maturing team collectors looking to augment collections with scorecards and programs.

4. Maturing collections that now have to deal with space as premium, and tickets and scorecards are not storage space intensive.

5. Newer collectors looking to get into vintage items that are seeking for an affordable vintage collectable that is scalable/check list approach (a season, a player, events).

In some cases and with some collectors, it could be various combinations of the above factors. Just some thoughts for what it’s worth..

Dave Grob

Hi Dave,
+1 Very good. I would agree with all of your observations. The bottom line is that the ticket collector community is absolutely growing.
Personally, I am finding #3 and #4 on your list to both be very prevalent.

[lrspaulp]

I just recently bought a collection and the gentlemen went to a lot of World Series and All-star games in the 1970's and 1980's and I was bit by the ticket stub bug. I have been collecting for a few months now and noticed prices. If anyone has any advice or tips I would appreciate it. Thank you.

[mrmopar]

With the help of baseball-reference.com, I finally went and documented significant dates in Steve Garvey's career in hopes of snagging some key tickets. I already had the debut and some others, like the consecutive game streak. I have yet to stumble upon something less known, such as his first triple (for example). It probably helps that these tickets are mostly 70s/80s, but I would guess finding the better ones will provide difficult and/or expensive.

One stub I did find and wanted was in a larger lot that I thought I might win with a higher snipe and I still lost. I was surprised at the final price frankly. I asked the seller to pass along to the buyer my contact info, but they refused. If anyone bought a 20-30 1970s stub lot of Dodgers in the last month or so and may be willing to move one (assuming you didn't need it as well), please let me know. I can let you know the seller to see if you might have been the buyer, but it is a larger ebay seller who lists many, many, many lots of what looks like warehouse or overstock type collectible stuff.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by mrmopar

With the help of baseball-reference.com, I finally went and documented significant dates in Steve Garvey's career in hopes of snagging some key tickets. I already had the debut and some others, like the consecutive game streak. I have yet to stumble upon something less known, such as his first triple (for example). It probably helps that these tickets are mostly 70s/80s, but I would guess finding the better ones will provide difficult and/or expensive.

One stub I did find and wanted was in a larger lot that I thought I might win with a higher snipe and I still lost. I was surprised at the final price frankly. I asked the seller to pass along to the buyer my contact info, but they refused. If anyone bought a 20-30 1970s stub lot of Dodgers in the last month or so and may be willing to move one (assuming you didn't need it as well), please let me know. I can let you know the seller to see if you might have been the buyer, but it is a larger ebay seller who lists many, many, many lots of what looks like warehouse or overstock type collectible stuff.

Hi Curt,
My best advice to you is to make up a want list and circulate it amongst the ticket collecting community. This want list should preferably be organized by what town/team the ticket date occurred at. For example, San Diego Padres, and list all of the dates you are looking for. Baseball ticket collectors tend to have more tickets of the local team, although they may also have stashes of other misc. tickets. Casting a wide net and networking is the very best way to find the dates that you are looking for, because it literally is akin to finding a needle in a haystack.

Steve Garvey is not a super popular player amongst the collecting community (although he was one of my personal favorites). The fact that he played in the 1970's and 1980's is definitely an advantage as you surmised. Finding tickets to some of his random milestone should not prove to be particularly expensive.

If you have such a list, please feel free to send it to me at: scott.garner@att.net and I can begin to get your wants circulated and hopefully help you find some of the dates you are looking for. Have an idea in your mind of what you are willing to pay for a ticket and let collectors know this.

I have been a collector of regular game day baseball ticket for over 44 years and have a large network of baseball ticket collector friends. One last thought is that it's important to lookout for other peoples wants and reciprocate. Nothing makes me happier than to help another collector find something that they have been looking for. It's even cooler to have someone help you find something on your want list.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by lrspaulp

I just recently bought a collection and the gentlemen went to a lot of World Series and All-star games in the 1970's and 1980's and I was bit by the ticket stub bug. I have been collecting for a few months now and noticed prices. If anyone has any advice or tips I would appreciate it. Thank you.

Hi Paul,
Welcome to net54!
I listed several of my ticket collecting "tips" above, but feel free to contact me if you have specific questions. I have primarily been a collector of regular game day baseball, not World Series or All Star games, but I still have some knowledge about these topics as well.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Hi Paul,
Welcome to net54!
I listed several of my ticket collecting "tips" below, but feel free to contact me if you have specific questions. I have primarily been a collector of regular game day baseball, not World Series or All Star games, but I still have some knowledge about these topics as well.

Cool Stub.

I had this Dodger Stub from June 14 1948 which made no sense. It was a Brooklyn home stub. I did a bunch of research and there was no game scheduled on the original home schedule so it just didn't make sense.

I found a article after hours of looking from the Palm Beach post.

Page 9.

This was actually a Exhibition game held at Brooklyn vs the Indians to raise money for little league. Jackie Robinson homered in it and only 12,ooo attended it. To me this is pretty damn cool.

[rschisler]

Originally Posted by Dave Grob

I have not followed this segment of the hobby/industry as closely as I have followed others, but there may be a number of factors in play here.

1. Maturing collectors who have completed card sets and looking for something new to collect.

2. Maturing collectors dealing with rising prices/declining availability of game used or stadia items, thus tickets and scorecards represent an affordable vintage collectable by comparison.

3. Maturing team collectors looking to augment collections with scorecards and programs.

4. Maturing collections that now have to deal with space as premium, and tickets and scorecards are not storage space intensive.

5. Newer collectors looking to get into vintage items that are seeking for an affordable vintage collectable that is scalable/check list approach (a season, a player, events).

In some cases and with some collectors, it could be various combinations of the above factors. Just some thoughts for what it’s worth..

Dave Grob

+1 Great points, Dave. I would also add that perhaps the nature of the autograph industry today is playing a role. I would imagine the number of forgeries, combined with negative press regarding many of the top TPAs, would be enough to steer folks away from autographs and into the ticket/program arena.

[vintagesportscollector]

Great point. I agree all of Dave's points are spot on and I relate to most of them, but the fact that you (for the most part) don't have to worry about fraud and forgeries with items like tickets, helps a lot. Where there has been forgeries, I've found them to be fairly easy to spot. You can enjoy tickets with less concern and without the need to have them slabbed or authenticated.

[Dave Grob]

With respect to tickets, I may be a bit of a contrarian in that I would prefer a stub to a full unused ticket. I have very few tickets, less than a couple of dozen in my collection, but part of the allure for me is the connection to the event. Yes I know the full ones look great slabbed (so some might say) and command more money, but to me an unused ticket is an object without any relevance…

For me, ticket stubs and scorecards provide contextual enhancement to other items in my collection. Probably the best example I can think of is I have a 1940 World Series Game 7 ticket stub, Pouge’s Department Store scorecard (sold outside the gate) and an original team mailing envelope for World Series tickets in a small display with Paul Derringer’s 1940 World Series cap. Does including these other items with the cap change or enhance the value in any appreciable manner? Maybe not, but as group they enhance the visual appeal of the main artifact (Derringer cap) and stimulate thought about the time and place.

Dave Grob

[Bumpus Jones]

Very well said and very true Dave.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Bumpus Jones

Very well said and very true Dave.

I couldn't agree more. Dave's comment on.."stimulate thought about the time and place", especially resonates with me.

That is why I collect, because I love history and sport. Not to make a fortune, not with the faint hope that I will uncover some major treasure, not to keep score or have the most 'toys'...but to make small connections to history.

I recently bought a large lot of Cornell ephemera pulled from an early scrapbook for $10, about 50 pieces. All scrap and of little value, but I like digging through lots like this. Out of the lot I pulled this "Admit One Armory, Nov. 29, 1906" ticket. It had little meaning until I discovered what it was for. It was issued to listen to the wire reports of the 1906 Cornell/Penn football game. You can see it in the picture below, along with some of the other scraps.

The ticket is of a little value, but to tie it to what was going on that day, I find deeply rewarding. Reading this article about the wire reports from the Armory...they sold 2,000 tickets..cheerleaders directed the singing....chairs only for woman and faculty...and experienced wire operators. Consider the unimaginable technology available to us today to watch football wherever and however we want.

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[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

I couldn't agree more. Dave's comment on.."stimulate thought about the time and place", especially resonates with me.

That is why I collect, because I love history and sport. Not to make a fortune, not with the faint hope that I will uncover some major treasure, not to keep score or have the most 'toys'...but to make small connections to history.

I recently bought a large lot of Cornell ephemera pulled from an early scrapbook for $10, about 50 pieces. All scrap and of little value, but I like digging through lots like this. Out of the lot I pulled this "Admit One Armory, Nov. 29, 1906" ticket. It had little meaning until I discovered what it was for. It was issued to listen to the wire reports of the 1906 Cornell/Penn football game. You can see it in the picture below, along with some of the other scraps.

The ticket is of a little value, but to tie it to what was going on that day, I find deeply rewarding. Reading this article about the wire reports from the Armory...they sold 2,000 tickets..cheerleaders directed the singing....chairs only for woman and faculty...and experienced wire operators. Consider the unimaginable technology available to us today to watch football wherever and however we want.

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Joe, that's an exceptional pickup for $10. C'mon!

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

I couldn't agree more. Dave's comment on.."stimulate thought about the time and place", especially resonates with me.

That is why I collect, because I love history and sport. Not to make a fortune, not with the faint hope that I will uncover some major treasure, not to keep score or have the most 'toys'...but to make small connections to history.

I recently bought a large lot of Cornell ephemera pulled from an early scrapbook for $10, about 50 pieces. All scrap and of little value, but I like digging through lots like this. Out of the lot I pulled this "Admit One Armory, Nov. 29, 1906" ticket. It had little meaning until I discovered what it was for. It was issued to listen to the wire reports of the 1906 Cornell/Penn football game. You can see it in the picture below, along with some of the other scraps.

The ticket is of a little value, but to tie it to what was going on that day, I find deeply rewarding. Reading this article about the wire reports from the Armory...they sold 2,000 tickets..cheerleaders directed the singing....chairs only for woman and faculty...and experienced wire operators. Consider the unimaginable technology available to us today to watch football wherever and however we want.

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Great post and well said. We are all one big team in the grand scheme of the hobby. Without us there would be no
It.

[Fuddjcal]

Roy Campanella Night Ticket Stub.jpg

is this thing worth anything?

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Dave Grob

With respect to tickets, I may be a bit of a contrarian in that I would prefer a stub to a full unused ticket. I have very few tickets, less than a couple of dozen in my collection, but part of the allure for me is the connection to the event. Yes I know the full ones look great slabbed (so some might say) and command more money, but to me an unused ticket is an object without any relevance…

For me, ticket stubs and scorecards provide contextual enhancement to other items in my collection. Probably the best example I can think of is I have a 1940 World Series Game 7 ticket stub, Pouge’s Department Store scorecard (sold outside the gate) and an original team mailing envelope for World Series tickets in a small display with Paul Derringer’s 1940 World Series cap. Does including these other items with the cap change or enhance the value in any appreciable manner? Maybe not, but as group they enhance the visual appeal of the main artifact (Derringer cap) and stimulate thought about the time and place.

Dave Grob

actually if you notice some of the full stubs have holes punched this was done at the turn stiles as a special accommodation of a fans request who wanted the whole ticket as a memento , also complimentary tickets were also so punched and could not be exchanged if there was a rain out
so these tickets in fact would have been presented at day of game and ticket owner would have been present at the game with full ticket in tow

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by megalimey

actually if you notice some of the full stubs have holes punched this was done at the turn stiles as a special accommodation of a fans request who wanted the whole ticket as a memento , also complimentary tickets were also so punched and could not be exchanged if there was a rain out
so these tickets in fact would have been presented at day of game and ticket owner would have been present at the game with full ticket in tow

I could be wrong, but there's certain years of the World Series where no tickets were perforated or "ripped" upon admission, with all tickets hole punched instead. I believe the 1911 Series is an example. What I don't understand, is people calling these "full" tickets. Despite remaining complete, with no section torn away, the hole punch should still classify the ticket as a "stub". Or am I missing something?

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

I could be wrong, but there's certain years of the World Series where no tickets were perforated or "ripped" upon admission, with all tickets hole punched instead. I believe the 1911 Series is an example. What I don't understand, is people calling these "full" tickets. Despite remaining complete, with no section torn away, the hole punch should still classify the ticket as a "stub". Or am I missing something?

as long as the ticket is fully intact with both sections raincheck untorn it is regarded as a full ticket and not a stub
it is not unusual to see some full tickets whole punched which was done to
accommodate a fans wishes or given as a complimentary no cash value , the holes prevented reentry or resale in the event of a rain out , so very few people did this