1925 Gehrig Rookie Exhibits Card

[Rhino]

Oh, By the way. Thanks for the auction info.

[Donscards]

The PSA 3 Gehrig in Memory Lane auction is at 53K with the juice----there seems to be a lot of interest in the Gehrig the last few months---I think it is really shooting up---this auction should set the standard---I think all grades will be in high demand at next years National.

[orly57]

I am surprised no one has mentioned that it is rumored the population report on this card may actually be inflated due to psa mistakenly slabbing the very similar 1926 Gehrig in a 1925 holder. The tint on the two cards are different and Gehrig's name is in a box on the '25, but the rumor is some 26s ended up in '25 holders.
I own a rough psa 1, but I am glad I got it before it started sky-rocketing.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by orly57

I am surprised no one has mentioned that it is rumored the population report on this card may actually be inflated due to psa mistakenly slabbing the very similar 1926 Gehrig in a 1925 holder. The tint on the two cards are different and Gehrig's name is in a box on the '25, but the rumor is some 26s ended up in '25 holders.
I own a rough psa 1, but I am glad I got it before it started sky-rocketing.

This is not a rumor. I have definitely seen some 1926 Gehrig's in 1925 holders for both PSA and SGC. You have to be careful as they look exactly the same except for the color tints. The 1925 version should be gray while the 1926 one is light blue. The 1926 card is actually much rarer than the 1925 one, but of course the 1925 one is selling for much higher prices these days. The strange thing about the Memory Lane one currently at auction is that it looks greenish colored, not sure that's due to the lighting or what.

For example, the card on the left looks like a proper 1925 Exhibits, but the one on the right looks light bluish, so probably a 1926 Exhibits. Again, it's possible that the color tint looks different when seeing in person, but everyone should be very careful.

[BeanTown]

Great examples of two killer cards! So, I guess today's lesson is to buy the card and not the holder?

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by glchen

This is not a rumor. I have definitely seen some 1926 Gehrig's in 1925 holders for both PSA and SGC. You have to be careful as they look exactly the same except for the color tints. The 1925 version should be gray while the 1926 one is light blue. The 1926 card is actually much rarer than the 1925 one, but of course the 1925 one is selling for much higher prices these days. The strange thing about the Memory Lane one currently at auction is that it looks greenish colored, not sure that's due to the lighting or what.

For example, the card on the left looks like a proper 1925 Exhibits, but the one on the right looks light bluish, so probably a 1926 Exhibits. Again, it's possible that the color tint looks different when seeing in person, but everyone should be very careful.

why would the presumption be that there were many more 1925 exhibits manufactured than 1926 exhibits for those with the white box both years (like the gehrig)?

wouldn't it be more likely that the manufacturing runs in both years were much more equal than what the pop reports reflect -- hardly any 1926 exhibits? the feedback i've heard is that even experienced graders find it difficult to distinguish between a '25 and '26 exhibit (e.g., scott mt. joy cited this in previous posts on this subject), meaning the tint distinction you are referring to is ambiguous in many instances...so graders likely defaulted over time to calling almost all exhibits over this 2 year period 1925 exhibits either out of ignorance that a 2 year manufacturing run existed or they were following the pop distribution.

the upshot is for those who think they have a gehrig rookie because that's what the flip says, it's up in the air whether they have a first year or second year issue. you can draw your own conclusions for the impact on the value of the card depending on whether you believe the two years can be clearly distinguished.

[orly57]

My 1925 is clearly black and white. And if the 26's have a bluish tint to them, as it has been espoused, I can tell you I own a 1926-29 Exhibits Gehrig Portrait which has an unmistakeable blue tint. If they used the same blue tint on the '26 exhibits as they did on the 26-29, this is extremely easy to distinguish in-hand. I say "in-hand," because in photos of the 26-29 gehrig pose the blue isn't very pronounced at all. It is very different story in-hand.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by griffon512

why would the presumption be that there were many more 1925 exhibits manufactured than 1926 exhibits for those with the white box both years (like the gehrig)?

wouldn't it be more likely that the manufacturing runs in both years were much more equal than what the pop reports reflect -- hardly any 1926 exhibits? the feedback i've heard is that even experienced graders find it difficult to distinguish between a '25 and '26 exhibit (e.g., scott mt. joy cited this in previous posts on this subject), meaning the tint distinction you are referring to is ambiguous in many instances...so graders likely defaulted over time to calling almost all exhibits over this 2 year period 1925 exhibits either out of ignorance that a 2 year manufacturing run existed or they were following the pop distribution.

the upshot is for those who think they have a gehrig rookie because that's what the flip says, it's up in the air whether they have a first year or second year issue. you can draw your own conclusions for the impact on the value of the card depending on whether you believe the two years can be clearly distinguished.

James, take a look at this thread: Link.

Although some players in the 1926 Exhibits set can only be distinguished from their 1925 counterparts by color tint (e.g., Gehrig, Ruth), others can be more easily catalogued because of "box" vs "no box." Even for these players which have the easily distinguishable "no box," the population reports consistently show fewer 1926 Exhibits compared to the same player for 1925.

[griffon512]

that's helpful, thx Gary

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Donscards

The PSA 3 Gehrig in Memory Lane auction is at 53K with the juice----there seems to be a lot of interest in the Gehrig the last few months---I think it is really shooting up---this auction should set the standard---I think all grades will be in high demand at next years National.

I would be very careful about setting standard pricing on a sale or two. I think this card can be manipulated like the rest. I am not saying it is in the Goodwin auction but things have looked weird in auctions before. If I were in the market for buying one I would probably be cautious. I used to own a raw one that graded a 5 then bumped to a 6...many years back. Got it in a Mastro auction where they said it was NRMT. It wasn't but was still a great card.

[BeanTown]

When I was at the National, I saw this one in one of the Memory Lane showcases marked at 60k I believe. It was owned by an employee of Memory Lane I was told. Interesting that the Ebay listing has now got taken down which the asking price was 75k. Then a different one pops up in the Memory Lane auction with road rash on it and it received like 28 bids in the first couple of days. I bet the employee of Memory Lane is Very excited to see all that action on the lesser grade 25 Gehrig.

[BeanTown]

Current Memory Lane 25 Gehrig

[Rhino]

Would you guys go Auction, Ebay, or try to find a private buyer for my 1925 Gehrig PSA5? Of the Auction Houses, who are the better ones to deal with?

[Bicem]

Would do VERY well as a featured lot in the next Love of Game Auction.

[arcadekrazy]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Would you guys go Auction, Ebay, or try to find a private buyer for my 1925 Gehrig PSA5? Of the Auction Houses, who are the better ones to deal with?

In my experience, you will get the best price in one of the high end auction houses. They will take the time and effort to properly market your card

[Donscards]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Would you guys go Auction, Ebay, or try to find a private buyer for my 1925 Gehrig PSA5? Of the Auction Houses, who are the better ones to deal with?

With a PSA 5 Gehrig, no matter where you list the card, it will get a record price---how about showing us a scan--I would love to see your card--a very high grade---The highest I have seen is a 3

[Rhino]

Im so glad I caught this thread. Im going to sell my 1925 exhibit psa 5. If a three goes for 60k. Im guessing my psa5 should reach 100. Just got to find the right auctioneer. Any suggestions? Ive used Lelands, very professional, but this was twenty years ago. If you guys could just give me your top 2 or 3 who you have used, I would really appreciate it. Oh, I do not think I want to ebay it.

[Donscards]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Im so glad I caught this thread. Im going to sell my 1925 exhibit psa 5. If a three goes for 60k. Im guessing my psa5 should reach 100. Just got to find the right auctioneer. Any suggestions? Ive used Lelands, very professional, but this was twenty years ago. If you guys could just give me your top 2 or 3 who you have used, I would really appreciate it. Oh, I do not think I want to ebay it.

Rhino I asked before, how about showing a scan of what your Gehrig looks like---I think you will do well with any major auction house

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Im so glad I caught this thread. Im going to sell my 1925 exhibit psa 5. If a three goes for 60k. Im guessing my psa5 should reach 100. Just got to find the right auctioneer. Any suggestions? Ive used Lelands, very professional, but this was twenty years ago. If you guys could just give me your top 2 or 3 who you have used, I would really appreciate it. Oh, I do not think I want to ebay it.

Show a scan which will only help it when/if it goes to auction. Keep in mind with the current auction there could be a hidden reserve and only one bidder. Plus, if the card is actually sold, then the high bidder will have one and might not want to drop 60-100k in a second one. The under bidder (if exists) is very important as they might be the one who benefits with the next auction of one of these. Ok, auction houses that come to mind in no order is Heritage, REA, Mile High, LOTG and Goodwin. I also own a high grade example of one of these which I bought before grading was around as it came from Lipset auction catalog back in the 90s.

[botn]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

When I was at the National, I saw this one in one of the Memory Lane showcases marked at 60k I believe. It was owned by an employee of Memory Lane I was told. Interesting that the Ebay listing has now got taken down which the asking price was 75k. Then a different one pops up in the Memory Lane auction with road rash on it and it received like 28 bids in the first couple of days. I bet the employee of Memory Lane is Very excited to see all that action on the lesser grade 25 Gehrig.

Huh? The ebay listing for the 4MK happens to have been my listing which I ended on 12/27. Nothing too interesting about my listing ending other than my decision to no longer offer the card for sale. Memory Lane's auction opened on 12/23 so their Gehrig did not just pop up after my ebay listing was ended.

[BeanTown]

Was your Gehrig 4MK on display in the Memory Lane booth at National? When I said popped up, I was referring to the the road rash Gehrig in the current Memory Lane auction. I know your 4MK Gehrig has been on Ebay for months as I was tracking it. It's a nice card. Now, If your 4MK Gehrig was not at the National being displayed, then I'm thinking of another different one.

[botn]

My 4MK is the only qualified 4 and no it was not at any National, ever. First time it was seen by the public was when I listed it on eBay.