Let's discuss the 1910 H801-7 Old Mill Cabinet. Show 'em if you got 'em.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Vintagecatcher

Thanks Jason for the scan.

I just discovered that there are both Derricks, C.L. Derrick and F.B. Derrick, have cards in Series #5 after looking at a listing in an old REA auction. Nice that they added the initials on the Derrick cards.

The existing checklists aren't too far off. Look's like the list is closer to now to 40 cabinets, and of course, I would assume other examples may surface in some old-time collections.

I have full names for 38 of the 40 players on my current checklist. See the thread on "T210 Mystery Players regarding the 2 non-roster players.

Patrick

Any chance Joe Jackson with the Spinners could be a mystery player?

[Vintagecatcher]

Hi JC,

Welcome back to the forum.

Jefferson Burdick assigned the Old Mill Cabinets with the American Card Catalog number of H807-1. Many collectors have not agreed with this classification, and have suggested that the set should have had a "T" classification instead of the "H" designation.

As Leon has often stated over the years, Burdick's classification are usually correct. The distinction of why he choose an "H" classification is simple: Old Mill Cabinets were designed to be "window advertising" for merchants selling Old Mill Cigarettes.

Similar to the Boston Garter Cabinets, Old Mill Cabinets were designed to bring attention to the product as a visual merchandising tool. Their purpose was to advertise the product on the store front level as opposed to being the prize received for purchasing the product. It is also believed that they served the purpose as "toppers" that were placed on top of the cases of cigarettes that the merchants received.

The ad on the back of the OMCs hints to where the focus with regards to marketing and distribution would be located.

The backs state:

OLD MILL CIGARETTES Blue Bloods everyone. Made of Virginia and Carolina tobaccos---pedigreed leaf. Blended exquisitely and wrapped in genuine WHEAT STRAW paper-- the kind you have always used in rolling your own cigarettes. MILD AND SATISFYING

H807-1 Old Mill Cabinets use player images from players in only 3 of the 8 series in the T210 set. Only from Series #2, #5, and #7 are the images pulled from to create the larger Old Mill Cabinets. These series represent the Virginia League, Carolina Association, and the Eastern Carolina League. The same area where the Old Mill tobacco originated from.

Highlight the local players with the local product...BUY LOCAL!

The fact that only players from these three series have been found on Old Mill Cabinets would rule out the likelihood that Joe Jackson would have an OMC. His issued T210 was in Series #8. Although Joe Jackson did spend time with the Greenville Spinners in 1910 before being called up...so one can still hold out hope that one exists! There is a very slim chance since 3 OMCs have been found that have no corresponding card found in the T210 set. These players are: Walt Doane (Roanoke Tigers), Charles "Bunny" Hearn (Wilson Tobacconists), and Harry Spratt (Roanoke Tigers).

Patrick

[Vintagecatcher]

Another question that I have is when were the H807-1 Old Mill Cabinets created in relationship to the T210s? Furthermore, which set was first?

Here is another fascinating fact about the 2 sets. The Woolums (Lynchburg) is a horizontal orientation in the H807-1 OMC set, whereas, his T210 is cropped closer and is a vertical orientation.


Patrick

[BeanTown]

Hey Patrick and good to hear from you. I didn't realize the cabinets only came from 3 of the 8 series. Good to know. Tried buying the last two that came up forsale but settled on being the bridesmaid... lol

[John V]

If there ever was a time for a horizontal T210, that was it.
Send feedback to Old Mill customer service?

[Michael Peich]

Patrick--

Thanks for showing the Woolums OM cabinet. And, JC, good to see you posting.

I think there is a practical reason for Woolums being presented in vertical instead of horizontal orientation--the frame around T210s often did not allow for full images. A simple example is Simmons (see below). In his T209 card, the ball is about a foot in front of his glove. In his T210 card, the ball has been moved next to his glove. Why the move? The ball would have been out of the frame if the original shot had been retained. Old Mill made these changes frequently and they were done to accommodate the size of the area in which an image was presented. It's another reason I like T209s so much--bigger images, especially of players in stadium poses (my faves), and b/w photographs. That being said, I also love T210s.

Cheers, Mike

[Michael Peich]

PS--If you'd like to see all 43 examples of player poses shared by T209 and T210, you can follow this link to my t209-contentnea.com website:

https://t209-contentnea.com/t209-con.../shared-poses/

It would be interesting to discover how many of the shared poses were used as H801-7 cabinets.

Cheers, Mike

[Vintagecatcher]

What's puzzling is that a horizontal pose was issued in the T210 set in Series #3 with the Morris T210, so why did they choose to issue the Woolum in a vertical orientation rather than in a horizontal orientation?

It has also been noted that the Woolum OMC is perhaps the most common card in the set. At least 3 exist..probably more. Perhaps they survived because of the popularity of the unigue horizontal layout.

Patrick