E90-1s have plate scratches too!

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Hi Steve,

I think Ted misinterpreted what I said. I certainly think it's important how they were printed I was referring to where they were printed.

In a few days it will be four years since you started the PD150 plate scratch thread. I have been tracking them through ebay and most of the
auction houses since then and I can say without a doubt that so far the E90-1's are showing up at a higher %.

If you look at past sales on cardtarget many of the E90-1's have sales with back scans in the single digits for a subject. On the other
hand the majority of PD150 subjects have over 100 sales with back scans.

I'm not sure if it has been established which company in Philadelphia printed the E90-1's but if it was George Harris and sons
which I believe was the largest lithographic printer there at the time they were owned by American Lithograph.

I've just been looking for info on George Harris and sons, and not finding much. I'm wondering if they were in any way related to the Harris automatic press company that made the first commercially successful rotary offset presses?
Some of that companies records are in the Smithsonian, and accessible to researchers. http://sirismm.si.edu/EADpdfs/NMAH.AC.0928.pdf

I did find an interesting bit. Harris company did make 2 color presses at least as early as 1908. I've suspected for some time that at least T206s if not other cards were produced on 2 color presses. https://books.google.com/books?id=C7...ompany&f=false Page 902 if the link doesn't go directly.


It's interesting that the E90 scratches are more common than T206 scratches, but not too surprising now that I think on it a bit. Shorter overall press run, and for P150 probably some previous fairly large press runs, so if the scratches happened mid run, they should be a bit more common in comparison.

It's very interesting to me if ALC owned Harris. But the reason is a bit far afield for this thread.

Steve B

[irishdenny]

Gentlemen,

According to VCBC #35 April 2003 Article on E90-1's,
Hobby Veteran Mr. Mark Macrae tells us that E90-1's
Were Also Printed oN the West Coast via Corporation
Hand Shaking. The Process is Explained
On the Last Page of the fore mention'd Article I've Included!

So Maybe the Scratches were produced on the West Coast!?

Also...
Obviously The Article has a few areas
THaT have BeeN Updated Since it's Published Date.
One in which Mr. Jackson's Cards Price has Completely Over~Taken
Mr. Mitchell's Cincinnati Card.
Another of Course, is which Cards are Actually More & Less Available.
Which is another Topic All Tagether

(My Apologies fir the State of the Articles Viewing,
IncreasiN Your Zoom Level Should Bring it Back to a Readable Existence!)

[steve B]

That's interesting.

I read it as co-marketing rather than production, but I suppose they might have been produced on the west coast and inserted there. More of a licensed production produced locally in a non-local market.

Nothing like additional complications

Steve B

[edhans]

Apologies to all for my recent absence from this thread. I've been looking in periodically, but haven't had time to thoroughly review all the excellent work done so far. I hope to be able to do so this week. Here are four additional subjects courtesy of a fellow board member:

Jennings



Phelps



Schlitzer



And Stanage



Hope to check back in soon.

[Pat R]

Hi Ed,

Here's a Dooin that is listed on ebay. I couldn't copy the larger scan.
http://www.tonyetrade.com/ImageViewe...08&CompanyID=1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-E90-...QAAOSw5cNYR0Zn
I'm pretty sure it matches Stone (left hand) and there's a different Stone (left hand) that matches Phelps for a possible triple of Stone/Phelps/Dooin.

I enlarged the image but that makes it blurry so I drew a line where the scratch
is. The Dooin also has a break in the bottom left border in the same place as
Stone.
Dooin Back - Copy.jpg
Stone (Left Hand Visible) 2 - Copy.jpg

[Leon]

Nice legwork, Pat.
Nuances and print patterns are neat...