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One thing that's going to make it a little tougher is that there are two
scratches through a sheet(s) that are similar. This Marquard is very close but just a little lower than the Tenney. Tenney - Copy.jpgTenney - Copy (2).jpg |
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Re: E90-1s have plate scratches too!
Pat,
That blue mark on the Tannehill looks like a slightly misaligned color pass. Might be difficult to identify. I did find a Lumley that may correspond. I would consider the two potential sheet mates. Haven't had time to look any further. Hope to do so this weekend. Interesting observation on the Marquard/Tenney scratches. I'm sure I would have missed that one. Thanks again for all your efforts. Happy Thanksgiving.
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I thought a Blue color shift from the grass on Oakes might be a possibility Too. It's hard to try and line them up with different scans, they get distorted when you try and resize them. Tannehill%20-%20Copy - Copy - Copy.jpg It makes it a little more of a challenge with the similar scratches but that's ok I think with some time we can figure it out. The Piedmonts have a couple that are similar and that's why when I got seriously involved in it I decided I need to have the cards in hand for accuracy. These are all plate scratches. I've added quite a few since these pictures were taken. DSCN0383.jpg DSCN0385.jpg DSCN0392.jpg DSCN0399.jpg Last edited by Pat R; 11-24-2016 at 08:02 AM. |
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ED, I found a scratch that matches Tenney. There are two Engle scratches so far
and one of them is the same as Tenney. Engle 2 Matches Tenney.jpgTenney.jpg Here's the other Engle Engle.jpg Last edited by Pat R; 11-24-2016 at 11:45 AM. |
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E90-1
Hi Ed
You and I have had some interesting discussions regarding E90-1 cards these past 10 years . Glad to hear you still have your set. I put this 120-card set together in the mid-1990's. In recent years, when the price of the Joe Jax went "bananas", I broke up this set and sold 77 % of it. Shown below are 10 of the 28 cards I kept. Anyhow, none of these 28 cards have any of the so-called "plate scratches" on their backs. Not even the slightest trace of any "ink streaks". Furthermore, I compared notes with a fellow E90-1 collector nearby in Pennsylvania, who has a complete 120-card set (and approx. 60 dupes). And the only cards in his collection with "ink streaks" are Demmitt, Joss (portrait), Overall, Phelps, Stone (left arm), Jeff Sweeney & Roy Thomas. Also, he has an extra Joss (portrait) and Jeff Sweeney which do NOT have "ink streaks". Total = 208 cards. This results to only 3.3 % of this particular 208-card sample with this printing anomaly. In the past 25 years, I have seen many E90 cards, that I would venture to say a larger sample of these cards will yield even a lower percentage. Therefore, can we really rely on such inconsistencies in attempting to determine a valid sheet layout ? I don't think so. . . Incidentally, Ed......your sample percentage (4/125 = 3.2 %) coincides with the sample percentage that I noted above (3.3 %). TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 11-26-2016 at 09:20 AM. Reason: Added "Incidentally, Ed......" |
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Where's the # "2" & "The Dog"?
Here's One from Mr. Keeler...
The Plate Scratch Runs Across Mr. Keeler's Chest! Curious... Does Anyone Else See the # "2" On the Bottom RiGHT SiDe of His Shirt!? It's appears in the Black/White Area To the RiGHT, Under the "Y" From the N Y Insignia... If You Stare at it, the "2" Comes More ta Life! Reminds me of the old Cards, Where they ask You if You can See the Dog in the Picture!? Can You?
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I have come across a few E90-1's with scratches through the front in my search. attachmentQ2KJX7I7.jpg |
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I know your post is directed at Ed but I would like to respond too. No offense but I don't think you understand the plate scratches. I would be happy to bring some plate scratch cards and meet with you sometime in the future and have a discussion. I'm not sure how they occurred but I think it probably happened in the moving of them in the printing process. Some of the stones were very large and I have seen pictures from around that time period where they were stored on racks similar to this. 1 Litography_archive_of_the_Bayerisches_Vermessungsamt.jpg 1 sl-374.jpg I'm sure a large number of sheets were printed before the scratches occurred and only a small number would have the scratches on them. Using this test sheet I made you can see only 25% of the cards have a scratch (9 out of 36). 1 E90-1 test sheet.jpg So combining this with the number of sheets that were printed before the scratch occurred would result in a low % although I think 3.3% is too low of an estimate. I think describing them as inconsistent is incorrect. The great thing about them is they are very consistent. A scratch on a subject from a particular sheet position is always in the same place. Here's multiple examples of a Seymour scratch. Seymour 1 Group Back.jpg Seymour 1 Group.jpg There are two on ebay right now with that same exact scratch. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...cAAOSw3KFWchuH http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...4AAOSwnGJWSo7F That Seymour scratch is on this sheet. 1 Sheet%20F-B[2].jpg Here's the Seymour under that one. Seymour 2.jpg Seymour 1-Seymour 2.jpg Cicotte is next to Seymour on that sheet and Here's some of them. This Cicottte lines up with the Seymour's I posted above. Cicotte 1.jpg Cicotte 1-seymour.jpg This pair Cicotte 4.jpg Seymour 2.jpg Cicotte 4 -seymour 2.jpg And another pairing Cicotte 5.jpg Seymour 6.jpg Cicotte 5-Seymour 6.jpg And there's also a front mark that shows Cicotte and Seymour were next to each other on this sheet. 1 Seymour%20_5_ - Copy.jpg 1 Seymour [5] - Copy - Copy.jpg Last edited by Pat R; 11-26-2016 at 11:37 AM. |
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Pat I fully understand what you refer to as "plate scratches". I've followed your posts regarding your Piedmont 150 analysis. Furthermore, when I was a teenager, I worked as an apprentice in a print shop and I am familiar with printing practices. I respect all the time & effort you have put into your T206 project. However, we are now talking about E90-1 cards. E90 cards were printed by a Lithographic firm in Philadelphia (1908-1910). The T206's were printed by American Litho (NYC) and it's my understanding that state-of-the-art rotary off-set presses were used to print these cards. I took the trouble of scanning Ebay's current listing of E90-1 cards. There are 178 unique E90-1 cards listed whose backs are visible in this listing. Only 7 of these cards exhibit "ink streaks"....resulting in 3.9 %. The grand total (of this group and the group noted in Post #36) is 386 samples. Only 14 of these cards have "ink streaks" resulting in a mere 3.6 %. I repeat: such a limited sampling (plus the varying characteristics of the "ink streaks") of these E90-1 cards certainly does not make for a reliable (or scientific) method for attempting to determine valid sheet layout, or series structure ? TED Z . |
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