PSA and off center cards

[Manny Trillo]

I see your point, but the reality is people pay foar less for a card when it's off center they grading should reflect that market reality.

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[irv]

Originally Posted by Manny Trillo

I see your point, but the reality is people pay far less for a card when it's off center the grading should reflect that market reality.

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What people decide to pay is reflected in the card and it's condition, including centering.

If a OC 7 wasn't OC, it would be graded an 8 or higher so what you are asking for is already in place.

[Manny Trillo]

Originally Posted by irv

What people decide to pay is reflected in the card and it's condition, including centering.

If a OC 7 wasn't OC, it would be graded an 8 or higher so what you are asking for is already in place.

Oh, ok. I didnt know that.

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[tjenkins]

I personally prefer a PSA 8 OC or MC over a PSA 6 or 7 (centered), especially if the color and focus is rich and clear. I collect off center cards and I am usually pretty excited when I can pick a PSA 8 or 9 OC/MC for much less. I simply look at it as the technology of the time and that miscut cards are just the way they came out sometimes, often times. It is more important to me that I see the player clearly then see him centered. So I don't mind PSA's current system.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by tjenkins

I personally prefer a PSA 8 OC or MC over a PSA 6 or 7 (centered), especially if the color and focus is rich and clear. I collect off center cards and I am usually pretty excited when I can pick a PSA 8 or 9 OC/MC for much less. I simply look at it as the technology of the time and that miscut cards are just the way they came out sometimes, often times. It is more important to me that I see the player clearly them see him centered. So I don't mind PSA's current system.

..amazing co-incidence that this thread appeared while I was trying to cut through the damned tape on the box from PSA which just came today...
..I'd bought the BVG 4 '58 White Letter Clemente because I knew that it was certainly not a "4" , except to Beckett Vintage Grading ; but the Beckett grader's hands were tied ; they could not give a final grade above a "4" despite how effing gorgeous the card is because the lowest sub-grade was a "2"---the other subs were all "8" with an amazing "8.5" for surface ; this is literally a pack-fresh card from 1958..

..It's now graded as what it actually is : NM-MT with a MC qualifier...about once a year I find a situation like this but rarely a Minty White Letter '58 Clemente...

..

[Manny Trillo]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

..amazing co-incidence that this thread appeared while I was trying to cut through the damned tape on the box from PSA which just came today...
..I'd bought the BVG 4 '58 White Letter Clemente because I knew that it was certainly not a "4" , except to Beckett Vintage Grading ; but the Beckett grader's hands were tied ; they could not give a final grade above a "4" despite how effing gorgeous the card is because the lowest sub-grade was a "2"---the other subs were all "8" with an amazing "8.5" for surface ; this is literally a pack-fresh card from 1958..

..It's now graded as what it actually is : NM-MT with a MC qualifier...about once a year I find a situation like this but rarely a Minty White Letter '58 Clemente...

..

Great example. IMHO, Beckett's 4 is more accurate because it takes into account the market reality. But I see your point as well.

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[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Manny Trillo

Great example. IMHO, Beckett's 4 is more accurate because it takes into account the market reality. But I see your point as well.

You think this would sell closer to a PSA 4 price than a PSA 6? Because that's the general consensus when it comes to the OC/MC grades: a two-point drop.

[Touch'EmAll]

Speaking of centering, how are (oc) and (mc) different? Is the (mc) simply worse than (oc) ? Or can (mc) also include flaws that are not (oc) ?

[swarmee]

Miscut is when a part of another card is visible on the card or a portion of your card is cut off. Off-center is when the entire image is on the card, but not centered. PSA is more lenient to sets like 1955 Bowman if the miscut is on the back, they might not even give it the MC qualifier.

[Batpig]

Originally Posted by irv

What people decide to pay is reflected in the card and it's condition, including centering.

If a OC 7 wasn't OC, it would be graded an 8 or higher so what you are asking for is already in place.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's not correct. If an OC 7 wasn't OC, it would be a 7. It only gets OC if it doesn't fit within the centering allowance for a 7.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's not correct. If an OC 7 wasn't OC, it would be a 7. It only gets OC if it doesn't fit within the centering allowance for a 7.

With PSA's grading, there are boundaries with how much a card can be off centered. Even their "10's" have limitations, they don't have to be perfect but with centering outside of their guidelines, I can't help but think the card would fall to a 9 if it didn't meet their criteria?
http://www.psacard.com/resources/gra...ndards/#detail

Also, if you were to submit a card that you requested there be no qualifiers on, your card, if it was really an 8 OC, would come back as a 7 or less, would it not?

Not saying you're wrong, Batpig, and that I'm right, that's just the way I understand it.

[Vintagevault13]

Originally Posted by irv

Also, if you were to submit a card that you requested there be no qualifiers on, your card, if it was really an 8 OC, would come back as a 7, would it not?



Not saying you're wrong, Batpig, and that I'm right, that's just the way I understand it.

In this scenario you described, the card would most likely be a 6 at the most.



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[irv]

Originally Posted by Vintagevault13

In this scenario you described, the card would most likely be a 6 at the most.



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Yes, you're right. I should have said a 7 or less.

[DBesse27]

A PSA 7 OC is considered to be a 7 in every way except centering. If the centering was improved it would be a straight PSA 7. That's what the qualifier means.

If a PSA 7 OC was cracked out and submitted with "no qualifiers", it would most likely come back a PSA 5 but a 6 is possible.