Sitting out for the batting title...

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Slightly OT, but germaine to the subject:


IMO - with all the regular inter-league play, the title, 'League Batting Leader' looses its meaning. Same with any other 'League' stat or 'Crown'.

WHAT DO THE GERMANS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?????

[billyb]

Cobb sat out the last game in 1910 leading by 8. LaJoie went 8 for 8 in a double header to edge him out. But they found an error in Cobb's record, which gave him a higher average, and they reclaimed Cobb the winner. But a controversy erupted out of further mistakes, and to this day, the actual winner of 1910 is neither. But they were both awarded a Chalmers car for top batting average.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

WHAT DO THE GERMANS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?????

I look for that response every time I use that word...thanks for playing along.

My little tribute to Jackie Gleason (of course, his response was decidedly more 'colorful').

[1952boyntoncollector]

I wonder if someone was tied in rbis and his team was out of contention but chose to rest the last game or if he was tied in some other main statistic that just counts and doesnt go by averages.

I not sure who the hit champion (total number of hits) was in the National League but i if someone won the batting title and had the most hits, i dont think anyone should care how many games at the end of the year that person sits out since has the most hits...

afterall all games count, maybe the guy that is chasing for the title already 'sat out' a game in the middle of the year.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I wonder if someone was tied in rbis and his team was out of contention but chose to rest the last game or if he was tied in some other main statistic that just counts and doesnt go by averages.

I not sure who the hit champion (total number of hits) was in the National League but i if someone won the batting title and had the most hits, i dont think anyone should care how many games at the end of the year that person sits out since has the most hits...

afterall all games count, maybe the guy that is chasing for the title already 'sat out' a game in the middle of the year.

First, I'm not sure what your first sentence fragment means, since it is incomplete, so I might totally be missing the point. But I'm not sure how the most hits has anything to do in justifying the winning or losing of the batting title, but I'll bite with this example.

Person A has 210 hits and 20 walks and has .334 average and decides to sits out the last game. Person B has 208 hits and 100 walks and has a .333 average and doesn't sit out. Person A and B are comparable in other categories (HR, 3B, 2B, etc). After the last game played, Person A will have missed 10 more games than Person B.

If Person B goes 1 for 3 with 2 walks in the last game, Person A still wins batting title but Person B is way more productive.

Since I don't think they give a major award for on base percentage (though I could be wrong), I could see why someone might care.

[packs]

A person who wins the batting title while sitting out has outhit everyone all year. I don't see the big deal in sitting out. It gives a person a chance to beat them, but it doesn't take away from the performance over a full season.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

A person who wins the batting title while sitting out has outhit everyone all year. I don't see the big deal in sitting out. It gives a person a chance to beat them, but it doesn't take away from the performance over a full season.

Right, all games count. Sitting out a game the first month of the year is the same as sitting out a game the last game of the year. Players dont typically play all 162 games even if healthy.

I was making the stronger point though that if you have the most hits for the year (and highest batting average) even after sitting out the last 30 games or whatever games than i still have no complaints. You have the most hits out of any other player and still have the highest batting average. No amount of sitting to me would tarnish the batting title in that scenerio.

D.J. i dont think was the total hit champion but like i said above, all games count and you dont play typically in all games.

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

[clydepepper]

FYI:

Murphy hit .383 in inter-league play, while LeMahieu hit .294

...so, vs. NL pitching exclusively,

LeMahieu hit .355, while Murphy hit .340

however:


Home/Away splits:

Murphy - .361/.333
LeMahieu- .391/.303

Once again, Coors Field casts a large statistical shadow.

LeMahieu's final (possible) game was against the Brewers at Coors. Sounds promising, but he was only 1-for-6 against them this year...not enough of a sample to make any assumptions on how he would have done.


Finally, Jean Segura (famous for once stealing first base FROM second base...believe it! check YouTube) led the NL in total hits with 203. Corey Seager was second with 193 and LeMahieu third with 192.

[packs]

I think that's more coincidental than incidental. He only hit 11 homers. You have to be lucky to get a hit at all, so I don't see how Coors played a role in where the balls landed in a way that another stadium wouldn't.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I thought part of the Coors Field advantage for hitters was the larger outfield, so yes, more room for balls to drop without the outfielders reaching them. Not just altitude aided homers.