"Secretarial" or Forgery ?

Jim F · #1 09-22-2016, 11:21 AM

Thank you. Good enough for me.
I'm out $500 Canadian but atleast it's out of circulation.

RichardSimon · #2 09-22-2016, 11:53 AM

I assume you had no chance of getting your money back?
Can you mention the name of the seller?
And $500 Canadian for Ty Cobb should set off alarm bells.

Jim F · #3 09-22-2016, 12:00 PM

I deal with a lot of antique/estate type of sellers locally. 99 percent of them have no clue whether a sports item is good or not. That's ironically where I come in. Totally my fault for jumping the gun on this one. Some times you just have to take your lumps.

David Atkatz · #4 09-22-2016, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim F

Thank you. Good enough for me.
I'm out $500 Canadian but atleast it's out of circulation.

Might have made more sense to indelibly label it a forgery, and then keep it as an exemplar of Dross' work. It had pedagogical value.

Klrdds · #5 09-22-2016, 02:28 PM

Roy Pitts sent out thousands of GPCs in the 40s , and was quite a collector of baseball autographs during that time. But this Cobb is a cut affixed to the GPC , so without the postmark suspicion is suggested-as should always be the case . I would like to know how Pitts acquired this one.

Jim F · #6 09-22-2016, 02:32 PM

It was not a cut. It is toning from the piece being in a cheap mat

Jim F · #7 09-22-2016, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klrdds

Roy Pitts sent out thousands of GPCs in the 40s , and was quite a collector of baseball autographs during that time. But this Cobb is a cut affixed to the GPC , so without the postmark suspicion is suggested-as should always be the case . I would like to know how Pitts acquired this one.

Maybe the forger typed that on too.

RichardSimon · #8 09-22-2016, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim F

Maybe the forger typed that on too.

Stuff like that has been done many times to give false provenance to an item.

djson1 · #9 09-23-2016, 01:36 PM

Interesting post, guys.
Any tell-tale signs on the actual signature that would give it away that it's a forgery? At first glance to me, it looked close to most of the Cobbs I've seen, so I'd like to learn from the old school masters here.

SetBuilder · #10 11-13-2018, 06:56 PM

Here is an uncancelled Roy Pitts TTM GPC, slabbed by PSA:

SetBuilder · #11 11-13-2018, 07:31 PM

Same GPC with a very similar signature sold for $960 at REA just a couple of months ago, with a JSA LOA: https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...cut-signature/

MooseDog · #12 11-16-2018, 09:42 AM

Isn't this the same piece with a JSA letter? Note the damage near the stamp in the auction listing, it's faint in the OP's photo.

Not passing judgment on the piece, although I think all the Pitts collection autographs I had in past had rubber stamp return addresses or were hand written.

http://www.albersheims.com/ty-cobb-s...n-lot5246.aspx

perezfan · #13 11-16-2018, 02:13 PM

Not the same... multiple differences.

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