T206 Who should be a HOFer that isn't ???

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by rats60

Or the model, which is biased, is completely wrong. You have done nothing but hand wave. There is nothing logical about any of your posts. You just want to hand wave away what people have seen. However, current defensive metrics are partially based on...the eye test. We now observe where balls are hit or for older players try to recreate that data, which is not available for Dahlen.

If you have a player who has poor range but gets a lot of balls hit right to him, he is not as good of a player who has to use his range to get to the same number of balls. Or another way to put it, Derek Jeter has led the league in assists and put outs, but we have enough observable data to know that he is not a good defensive player. I will trust those that saw Dahlen play that say he wasn't a HOFer and not a top defensive SS. I trust the people who saw Pie Traynor play and consider him the greatest 3B up to 1969. If you want argue otherwise, present new facts or data. If you are going to be lazy and just cite WAR, there is no further need for discussion.

ummm...no

this kind of argument against science is why we have anti-vaxxers, acupuncture and all sorts of other nonsense out there parading around like it has evidence behind it. an opinion has zero weight next to factual data. zero... nothing confirmation bias removes the eye test from any sort of meritorious consideration.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

ummm...no

this kind of argument against science is why we have anti-vaxxers, acupuncture and all sorts of other nonsense out there parading around like it has evidence behind it. an opinion has zero weight next to factual data. zero... nothing confirmation bias removes the eye test from any sort of meritorious consideration.

So you are claiming that science doesn't use observation? Lol.

[Paul S]

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[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by rats60

So you are claiming that science doesn't use observation? Lol.

science uses observation, but not opinion. there is no artistic merit in analyzing data.

science- player A has accumulated 128 defensive runs over his career


eye test- player A was below/above avg in the 15 games I saw him in

[CMIZ5290]

Nick- Please go away, this is ridiculous......

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Nick- Please go away, this is ridiculous......

no, you go away. you haven't given any meaningful data to back up anything you have said. I have. you don't like losing. sorry, work harder.

[Topps206]

If you don't like this thread, why go in it?

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Topps206

If you don't like this thread, why go in it?

apparently he just wants to yell at clouds...

anyway, I'm with ya on Dahlen and I'm opting out of the thread as I don't see much more to be gained in it.