Graig Kreindler's Chief Bender painting - All Hail the Chief!

[JollyElm]

I'm sure you did the same web search that everyone reading this thread is now doing. The only relevant image that appears is a Mitchell & Ness version of a very similar sweater (the elephant is positioned at a distinct angle that isn't consistent with your photo, etc.). Their sweater is dark blue. Perhaps you can find a way to contact them and ask how and why they determined the color of the 1911 sweater to be that shade of blue?

[clydepepper]

This is without a doubt the longest sweater discussion I've ever read, much less a sweater with an elephant on it.

At this point, should we call Guinness or call for a Guinness?

[T206Jim]

Darron, thanks for the note about the sweater color, I saw that and will follow up with reproduction company.

David, your post with the October 25, 1911 NYT coverage is very enlightening, perhaps even more so than you thought. Chief Bender did pitch and win Game 4 on October 24th in Shibe Park. The Bender cropped shot of my photo attributes it to American Press Association. Of particular relevance is the back of my Type 1 photo showing a period American Press Association stamp.

Bender-sweater-back-crop.jpg

Here is the enlarged cropped shot of Bender as well as the adjoining Game 4 action shot also attributed to American Press Association.

NYT-10-25-1911-Bender-crop.jpg NYT-10-25-1911---game-action.jpg

I checked the NYT for all "day after" recaps of each of the six World Series games. It was a similar format for each day and predominately displays day of game photos attributed to American Press Association.

At the very least we can say the Bender photo was taken no later than October 25, 1911. While it may have been a file photo, I believe there is a distinct possibility my photo was taken October 24th on the day he pitched and was contemporaneous with the other game action photos the American Press Association provided to the NYT for use.

A couple of great tips, keep them coming!

[MuddyMules]

I don't know if it will help, but I found this link that talks about the different sweaters. I didn't read it all and thought I would just post it for you.

www.uni-watch.com/2010/11/10/sweater-weather/

Also, I found the below image while searching, which actually took me to the above link. Here is a link to the photo: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/...d32aa131_o.jpg

And then there is this, which does show some colors, but not of your photo: http://origin-sp.global.ralphlauren....baseball.aspx?

Here's an artists rendition of the colors: http://fineartamerica.com/featured/1...e-dininno.html

And my guess on the ribbon tied to the button.......it is not a ribbon, but a frayed string tied to a pencil that he kept in the sweater, which is causing the line to appear in the sweater above the elephant.

Good luck in your quest.

Ted

[MuddyMules]

Also, with the 1910 Championship being shown in blue, my guess is that it matched the colors of the sweaters and hat lines.

https://vintages-antiques-collectibl...-collectibles/

[MVSNYC]

I had a little bit of time, and thought I'd try to help...

Found this colored drawing online...might help, as it seems like the artist had some prior knowledge of the color being Blue.

http://fineartamerica.com/featured/1...e-dininno.html

More info pointing towards Blue...

http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/lis...hia_Athletics/

http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/vie...ame-Worn_Photo

Scroll down, actual sweater on right in showcase (dark Blue?)

https://philadelphiatale.wordpress.c...ics-a-history/

[JustinD]

I think the dark blue is the most likely color based on the evidence.

Also, those are unquestionably the same sweater in all photos...unquestionably.

The ribbon does seem to be securing something in the sweater. As to what? No idea.